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Turning Incarceration into Inspiration Mo Nelson's Story
The episode combines an insightful discussion on the importance of emotional intelligence and personal growth, particularly through the lens of the guest's transformative experience in prison. The conversation delves into the consequences of choices, the quest for forgiveness, and how overcoming adversity can lead to profound self-awareness and empowerment. The host and guest explore themes of mentorship, accountability, and the power of narrative in promoting change.
• Reflection on absence of paternal influence
• Lessons learned from incarceration and accountability
• Importance of emotional intelligence in personal and social settings
• The transformative role of mentorship in personal growth
• Resilience cultivated through reading and education in prison
• Strategies for self-awareness and overcoming self-sabotage
• The mission to help others through personal experiences
• Importance of defining purpose for effective life management
Nah, man, really wasn't any option.
Speaker 2:The only option was me going to prison, so do you feel like not having no more in your life contributed to you doing other things or not at all.
Speaker 1:Most definitely man. A male presence is very important in the household because if my dad would have been in my life in that household, I know for a fact I wouldn't have done what I've done to get in prison. Was it hard for you to?
Speaker 2:do or did you accept responsibility and be accountable off the rip? Did you like know it was wrong? It was like all right, cool, I forgive myself, I'm moving on, or was that?
Speaker 1:a little struggle in the mind. I'm not going to say it was easy, because it was still hard for me to forgive myself for participating in someone losing their life man, and an innocent man at that. It was very daunting and it played on my psyche, man. But I had to level up and as I became more aware of myself I had to forgive myself. I didn't intentionally do that or participate in that affair knowing that that was going to transpire.
Speaker 2:What's up y'all? Welcome to another episode of the Honor Pursuit Podcast. We connect with six, seven, eight-figure entrepreneurs. Today is an interesting one. I'm excited to have this conversation with this entrepreneur. You guys are going to learn a lot from this episode. Specifically, If you've ever been detained, incarcerated or locked up, trust me, you do not want to miss this episode. I spent a little bit of time behind bars, but not like this guy. You know what I'm saying, Mo Nelson. Welcome to the podcast, bro, Mo Nelson. 1. Thanks for having me. Brendan Brandon 1. Yeah, man, so I don't know. I don't know. I don't even know if the audience knew I got locked for a little bit.
Speaker 1:I didn't know that, I just got here today.
Speaker 2:So check this out, bro. I got locked up over a parking ticket Really yeah, so probably 2012. I was in New York, got a parking ticket, didn't pay it, forgot about it Two years later back in New York and I know other cities probably have it, but New York got these, like they be having these curated traffic stops where it's like if you go down the wrong street on a certain day, you have to like they're going to check your car.
Speaker 2:They're going to see who's driving, see what's going on. So I ended up doing that and you know, unbeknownst to me, I had a warrant in the state of New York. So what I think is a waste of resources to lock me up, you know, keep me in there, pull me out in the morning, waste my time, waste the tax, the taxpayers money in New York when it's a parking ticket, why can't they just have a little square situation terminal where I can just pay what I owe, add some fees on to keep it moving? So waste the resources, waste the cop's time, waste my time. When it's a parking ticket situation, I should just be able to pay. You know what I mean. But that's just how the system is designed. You, on the other hand, you spent some time locked up, and since you were younger, since you was a kid how old were you? I was?
Speaker 1:16 when I first got in college.
Speaker 2:So 16 years old. At 16 years old me, my grandmother had just passed and I remember like going into my last year of high school, but you had a different experience. So how'd you end up getting locked at 16? And then was it a situation where they were going to send you or did you have an opportunity to not spend time? Like what was that judgment? Like what was it time behind bars?
Speaker 1:like nah, man, uh, really wasn't any options. The option, the only option, was me going to prison. When I was 16 years old, I made a piss-poor decision Got with the wrong crowd, allowed that crowd to influence me to do something that was totally outside my character. We got, but I got involved. I got myself involved in a robbery and Unfortunately that robbery culminated to a homicide. And in Florida, even though I never killed nobody there in my life, my co-defendant did.
Speaker 1:And in Florida they have something called felony murder, meaning if me and you are on the commission of a crime, we both are responsible for each other's actions. So whatever affair you commit, I commit, even if I didn't physically do it. So that was the case with me. So to everybody all my young is out there, listen, man, watch the company you keep. Be careful. We hang around, man, when you go out party and whatever the case may be. Because when you go out, man, if your friend is on some bullshit, you can't control his actions, but it's a can't control his actions, but it's a great chance that his actions can affect you in a major way, even if you had nothing to do with it. So just keep that under your hat. For real.
Speaker 2:I learned the hard way, so do you still have a relationship with that person?
Speaker 1:Nah, nah, man, he has a life sentence. He reached out a few times but it was weird because he felt like I owed him for some reason Because I got out earlier and he's in there with a life sentence. But I changed my number on him. I tried to help him, send him a little money. One point in time I did forgive him because he was 17 as well. But you know, he started feeling entitled and I'm like bro, I don't owe you anything. Bro, if anything you owe me, you put my life in jeopardy, even though it was my choice to accompany you, I didn't. I was, I was oblivious to any anything happening like that. As far as a homicide the robbery I take full responsibility. I was aware that we're going to go rob. If the person had a million dollars, I was going to get my quarter million, but the homicide portion. I had nothing to do with that and that's how green I was. But now, as a grown man, enlightened, when you're indulging in a robbery, things like that can take place, can happen.
Speaker 2:So take me back real quick. Right, because you're using some really interesting adjectives. Right, you're talking about indulging in a robbery, so to me, that makes it sound like it was something attractive to do at the time. So why? Because you're a podcast. You haven't figured out how to monetize. Maybe you're someone that used to be like me, where I didn't really have anyone that can hold me accountable, nor did I have a group that I felt comfortable about. You know what? This is my tribe. I can grow. Well, listen, we put that together Podcast school. I'm teaching you guys monetization secrets, accountability, discipline, how you get better with content, and this is just a group that you want to grow with. Click the link below join.
Speaker 2:If you can recall, what was the mindset like being that young and participating in something like that? Was there like a rush of emotions? Was it, you know, a level of testosterone running through you, like yo we about to come up like? What was that feeling like? And what you know? If you can recall, what were you anticipating of testosterone running through you like yo we about to come up? What was that feeling like? If you can recall, what were you anticipating was?
Speaker 1:going to be the result of that? All of the above, bro. Numerous things Emotions, having the anticipation that I was going to come up on some type of material game by getting some extra money, etc. Then also the clout aspect making a name for myself in the streets, because growing up in high school I was known as the class clown, fresh, cool guy.
Speaker 1:But having that, that, um, I want to say that street cred, that stamp, yeah that stamp like yeah you know what I'm saying more get down, more participate if he has to, and um, just some multiple other things. But those are the two key factors and I look back in retrospect I'm like, wow, how lost I was because, at the end of the day, trying to impress people that really don't give a damn about you and in my era growing up it was it was it's kind of ironic because the pretty women, the women that were popular, the had clout, they liked the bad boys, they liked the guys.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the name in the street. So I kind of wanted that, I kind of got influenced to want that and I just made a piss poor decision in participating in something I had no business participating in and I wore it. It was, it was, it was definitely severe ramifications, man. And then the emotional aspect, like I say, the urge. You know the adrenaline, the testosterone, and you know I'm 16. I feel like I'm a man, but I'm really not. I still have an infantile mind, still very immature, but you can't tell me that. So yeah, man, that's just what it was, bro.
Speaker 2:So what about your mom and your dad? Were they in your life like that?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so my mom. I was raised in a single-parent household. My mom was an excellent mother. Nobody's perfect, but she did the best she could. She always taught me to pronunciate and enunciate my words correctly, always encouraged me to read. She worked three jobs on point of time in her life. She just always tried to keep me away from poverty, from certain influences, but me, man, it's like I found adrenaline being around the bullshit, bro.
Speaker 2:So let me ask you this Was your dad ever in your life? My?
Speaker 1:dad. I officially started building a rapport with my dad at the age of 13. Okay, but prior to that, no, he had no influence whatsoever.
Speaker 2:So do you feel like not having him more in your life contributed to you doing other things, or not at all?
Speaker 1:Most definitely man. A male presence is very important in the household. A male presence is very important in the household because if my dad would have been in my life, in that household, I know for a fact I wouldn't have done what I've done to get in prison because, for instance, my mom telling me, hey, don't do that, don't go outside. It's moms. I'm 16, I started smelling myself.
Speaker 1:I know my mom can't physically restrain me, not even if she tried her hardest, as opposed to my dad having the brute strength, the strength of a male. Hey, son, you ain't going out, and if I tested him, he going to chastise me and show me who's the real boss. And then I humble down as a son should. That right there is paramount, and that's why it's important for us, as men, to be there for our children. Man, be the leader in the head of the household, be the enforcer, yet the nurturer as well.
Speaker 1:Man, because daughters and the sons, they need the dads. They need both for the parents, but especially the dads. Man, we are very imperative to the household. Man, if I would have had my dad there, things would have been different. However, I don't make that as an excuse, though, because at the time, even though I was 16, I was young I still knew I couldn't get a key to the city for what I did. I knew it was not something my mom would be proud of. I knew it was something wrong, but I still made that choice and fluence about my emotions of gratification at that time that led me to get myself into trouble, that I got myself into man.
Speaker 2:That's. That's. That's deep, because now you have a lot of self-awareness. Most definitely you know what I'm saying. So take me back to when you was in prison. What did you feel like when it was like giving you that sentence and you know you had to. All right, my next transition from I'm going to be locked up. So what did that feel like knowing, okay, cool, you're sentenced to whatever your sentence was and you're going to prison. Wow.
Speaker 1:Well, at first my life hung in a balance. I really didn't know what to expect, bro, I'm being honest. Some people was telling me I'm going to get out because I actually didn't kill the person. Some people were saying I was going to get a life sentence because I participated in somebody losing their life. So initially it was just a very convoluted situation. But I knew that eventually I was going to go to prison and I was very scared going to go to prison and I was very scared.
Speaker 1:But the thing that I planted in my head that, hey, even at a young age, I know I'm going to prison, but how can I make prison an advantageous situation for myself? How can I transition a negative into a positive? And that was even before I went to prison, because I had people probably going to prison in there saying, hey, prison has opportunity. Prison is actually better than the county. You got more freedom, you can do this, you can do that. As opposed to the county man. It's very restrictive, Limited freedoms and it's just very stagnant. And I actually was excited at one point in time of going to prison because I was just ready to get it over with man. I spent two years in a county jail. All right, hold on real quick, bro yeah.
Speaker 2:So you had two years in the county. We'll talk about that in a second. But you had two years in the county and then, once you got the word that you was going to go in prison, you was excited, you felt positive about that opportunity and it's because you felt like where you were kind of told that there was more opportunity, yeah, more opportunity to grow. So what was County like?
Speaker 1:Oh, man County was very depressing A lot of violence, a lot of up and down, don't know what to expect. Consistent court dates, you being close to home, so the stress from the family is very strong. And yeah, it was pretty.
Speaker 1:It was just food horrendous small portions, very mundane, just bored just bored how you navigate that honestly, man, same way I kind of did, did or did prison man reading when I when I, for the record, I'm an advocate of reading, that is what what saved my life, brother. But prior to me getting incarcerated, I never read a book front to back by myself, unless it was in a class group setting. And I regret that. I wish I would have done more reading prior to going to prison because it probably would have saved my life too, outside of me, not having a father Reading, because reading it gives you options, it gives you a fresh perspective. It just puts yourself in a state of mind that's like limitless Mental calisthenics bro.
Speaker 1:Mental calisthenics.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying. Same thing with the read 100%. So the first book I actually read, by myself, front to back, was George Washington Carver, the Peanut man Word. Yeah, man. I loved it, man, seeing how a brother of Melanin created products, multiple products, from a single peanut bro, yeah, and that was just amazing. I'm like, wow, man, you can do anything you put your mind to. And how I felt was so exhilarating, accomplished. It boosted my self-esteem and it was like I was on a high bro.
Speaker 1:I was addicted to reading, I was addicted to growing and I traveled the world through the books. I've been to so many places around the world, brother Africa, europe, asia, been to space, been to the heavens. I've been everywhere through reading. Man, that's why I stress man, reading is very paramount man. If you read, I guarantee you without a shadow of a doubt, you will enhance as a human being. It's inevitable man. Reading is fundamental. I know it's cliche, but what it has done to my life is very rewarding. I wouldn't be the guy I am today without, you know, perpetual reading in my regimen.
Speaker 2:So yeah, so now that transition from the county to prison, how is prison different? And then, what opportunities were in prison that weren't present in county?
Speaker 1:Well, so in prison you got trades, you got certain trades. You got certain trades. You got certain vocational training you can participate in. That helps you develop some type of skill that you can take with you upon your release. As opposed to the county jail, they really don't offer anything but a GED.
Speaker 1:And I was fortunate to get my GED because at the time I was 16, I was trying to get my official high school diploma with my school name as a title as a boarder. But unfortunately I was soon to turn 18 and I didn't have enough time to be able to get that. So my teacher at the time she advised me to just go ahead and get the GED. She said listen, ged is equivalent to a high school diploma. The only thing about it is it's going to say high school diploma as opposed to the specific school that you participated, but it's going to say high school diploma, it'll carry the same weight. Because she also said if I wait and I turn 18, I can still get my GED.
Speaker 1:But the county jail doesn't favor adults. They really don't care. Once you turn adult, bro, they really don't care. By me being a minor at the time, they foster that they want you to get education. They want to make a better way for you, so take advantage of the caring and nurturing that the county jail would provide by me being a lesson. So I took advantage of it. I did what she said. I took advantage of it. I got my GED in like five months and I felt amazing. I was 17. To know I was done with school while everybody else was still struggling with graduation and if they were going to fail in GPA scores, I was done and I felt great man. And that propelled me to go even further. I felt very accomplished. You know telling my mom, even though I was in the county facing some hefty charges, I was still accomplishing things while incarcerated, so that was very rewarding.
Speaker 2:That's a big thing just for, like the human psyche right, accomplishing stuff. So even if you you know you were talking about the reading like reading a book front to back is an accomplishment, you're going to feel an endorphin rush from that. You're going to feel good about that. So being locked up and being able to get that GED, like you said, that's something that everyone in prison ain't getting Right and that's something that even people on the outside some of them don't even graduate from high school. So I can understand, especially being in a situation where you know you're restricted, you know at from from a good portion of things that you can't do right, but having that ability to do that, I know that felt like you said. It felt it felt amazing you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:So yeah, it was definitely after that, and you're in prison now. Like what are some like? Like, like, walk us through what the day is like. What a week's like you know what, what, what, the what, what was it like navigating? What a week's like you know what, what, what, what, what was it like navigating that space and um, from opening, opening up your eyes in the morning to closing them at night, what, what does the day look like?
Speaker 1:Well, for me it was a. It was a blessing. I approached it as a, as a university school. You know, you wake up early, hold on, hold on. You approached prison like university. Yeah, bro, I approach it like university. Bro, that was my school. It's an institution. What is the school? College, an institution, facts it's an institution. So I approached it as such and before I elaborate, what gave me motivation was my brother, malcolm x man. I read the autobiography of malcolm x three times and to see how he transitioned a negative into a positive inspired me to approach my situation similar to how he approached his.
Speaker 1:So you know, to wake up early, wake up 5 am for breakfast, do that Take about a whole hour and a half, maybe two hours for that session. Go back to the dormitory. I use that time to meditate, you know, because, like a gray area before they call work, call, work, call is a time designated for you to get ready to go on your job, because you do work in prison. It's not, like I know, for anybody that thinks, don't get caught up in the media visual of prison like you're just sitting in a cell all day. That's confinement, but prison in general population, it's like the free world a little bit. You do have responsibility, you do have a job, you have lunch, you have duties and responsibilities that you are responsible for fulfilling and stuff like that. So I treated it as such and I had a job. I had jobs where I worked in the kitchen, inside grounds, numerous jobs, man, and that kept me busy and initially I had a disdain for it. I'm like man, hell, I'm working in prison. I'm in prison, but I didn't understand the concept getting you prepped for the real world, because the real world you have to work. So the prison if you approached it and appreciated the structure, it could behoove you in a major way, and that's what I did. I took advantage, instead of the time doing me, I did the time.
Speaker 1:I met one of my great mentors, one of the most brilliant minds I ever encountered in my life in prison man. His name was Osiris, cat, from Miami. He had a life sentence. At the time I met him, he was like on his like 26th year of his bid and he was in his early 40s I was 18. And he said Moe, never let. I mean he told me, don't be consumed by the fire, but purified by the fire. I'm like man, osiris. What you talking about, man, because he's always throw these riddles and he told me don't be consumed by the fire, but purified by the fire. I'm like man, what's.
Speaker 2:Cyrus.
Speaker 1:What are you talking about? Man? Because he's always throw these riddles and stuff. And he said, mo, the fire is the environment prison. Now you have a piece of paper and you have a chunk of gold. If you get a piece of paper and you crumble it and you throw it in that brush of fire, what's going to happen? It's going to get consumed. It's going to disintegrate. Now you take that dirty gold, nugget, raw gold, and you throw it in that same fire. What's going to happen? It's going to get purified. It's going to get cleansed, shiny of value and ready to be purchased in the jewelry store.
Speaker 1:What I took from it is use environment prison as a way to enhance you to an elite human being. 100. So when you get out, you'll be a value. People will pay you for your time, for your skills, for your presence. And I took that around with it, brother.
Speaker 1:So, as opposed to being consumed, getting in the gang activity, getting the little nuances of prison, prison politics, wasting my time just indulging the things I handle, business and business indulging in, I stayed away. No business indulging in, I stayed away from that. I stayed away from that because his words, his quote, always stuck with me and I was getting off course. That philosophy would always give me course correction. And I was just trailblazing, bro. I said, because this is how I felt, brandon man, I'm going to be honest and we can go on and on with this man I felt tried by the system. I didn't feel that I deserved a 15-year sentence, but I did deserve to go to prison and I'm glad I went to prison, because prison for me was a beautiful experience but I didn't deserve a 15-year sentence. So I was mad, I had a disdain towards that. But what I learned how to channel my emotions this is something I learned and nurtured in prison how to channel the emotions in a positive, constructive manner. So I said because I remember the judge, he told me and he smirked, he kind of like smirked and laughed with it oh, you got a second chance, nelson, be happy. And I'm like, hey, I got a second chance, nelson, be happy. And I'm like, hey, I got a second chance. Bro, you just sentenced me to one year less than when I lived on the street. How do you know? I got a second chance. But then when I went up there and I seen the whole dynamics of prison and I'm seeing that there's so many people that have more time than I have that have lesser charges than I had Because, remember, I got a homicide. Now, even though I didn't commit it, I still had it on my record. So I was like I'm going to channel this energy.
Speaker 1:The system got me messed up, even though the system ain't placing me in prison. I placed myself in there by my decision making, but I had to blame it on something outside of myself. I had to get mad at something. I had to channel it on something outside of myself. I had to get mad at something, had to channel it. Hmm, so I said you know what? I'm gonna become? A beast. I learned a second language. I learned how to speak and become a leader. I can't learn to trade. I develop intangibles, skills that will make me a valuable figure.
Speaker 1:So upon my release, it was going to be hard for somebody to tell me no, because I knew I had to get out and start with a job. That's the initial step and that's why I went hard. I went hard on bettering myself because I wanted to be that light. I didn't want to succumb to prison, how I seen so many of my peers succumb to, because in prison, man, they have letters that identifies how many times one has been in prison. So I had a zero signifying my first time. A means second, third, b, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 1:Well, those guys done had Gs on their tag and I'm like how in the hell man, how in the hell you got a G on your tag? Man, you ain't learned yet. And I never wanted to be that person, man in his 40s or 50s still trying to figure this shit out. I said one time, and one time only it's either this or never. But I wasn't going to be contributing to the recidivism rate, and I mean that, man. So those were just motivated factors, man, to propel me to be my best self man. And I was very passionate man. I just wanted more for myself, bro, I couldn't be weak. I felt if I didn't make prison advantageous to me, I felt like they won, so I had to me. I felt like they won, so I had to do what I do and I had to tie you up, man.
Speaker 2:Alright, so you talked about, you know, not being consumed by the fire. Using the fire, you talked about, obviously, being in prison and using it for your benefit, being influenced by Osiris, but then also a lot of these books that you're consuming start building up different habits, different routines, right? So talk to me about what are some of the things that led to building the person that got released because the person that came in didn't have the same intangibles, didn't have the same mindset, didn't have the same routine, right? So't have the same mindset, didn't have the same routine, right? So what are some of the things you started to do? You started to commit to that contributed to you becoming that person. And then how did you take that outside of prison and start making it work for you once you got a second chance?
Speaker 1:OK, so the first step to change and elevating is one accountability. I had to look at myself first and understand. Understand that I put myself in that circumstance and it was my responsibility to respond in a way for me to come out unscathed and get myself out. So that was the first step and um, go ahead?
Speaker 2:was it hard for you to do, or did you? Or did you? Did you accept responsibility and be accountable off the rip? Did you like know it was wrong? It was like all right, cool, I forgive myself, I'm moving on, or was that a little struggle?
Speaker 1:in the mind it. I'm not going to say it was easy, because it was still hard for me to forgive myself for participating in someone losing their life man, and an innocent man at that. And I don't know if you've ever seen when somebody dies, gets shot point blank or range man. But I witnessed that and one point in time I had nightmares about it because I wasn't raised like that, that wasn't in like that, that wasn't in my characteristics of growing up. So for somebody like me with my upbringing witnessing that and it's a man at that it was very daunting and it played on my psyche man. But I had to level up and as I became more aware with self I had to forgive myself. I didn't intentionally do that or participate in that affair, knowing that that was going to transpire. Had I did, I would have never participated.
Speaker 1:It was brought to me hey, we're just going to rob, scare somebody, get a little money. If they got it, go on. That was it. Nowhere in a discussion where look to get real man might the shoe, even though even though I tell people this man, listen, with robberies you never know what's gonna transpire. Now this is how I would have forgave my co-defendant if this scenario would have played out? We're robbing somebody, the guy gets the upper hand on us, he gots me in a chokehold, he has me in a situation where he can bring damage, bring harm to me, and my co-defendant shoots him as a way to defend me. Now that's different, because now my life's in jeopardy and you're doing by any means necessary to save your friend, because I would do that. If he would have done that, I would have understood. But my co-defendant shot and killed somebody because they didn't have any money.
Speaker 1:The man's struggling like us, and I remember the guy said that before my co-defendant pulled the trigger hey man, he's going to have to shoot me, I have nothing. The guy's facing the same struggle as us and the man died because he ain't had nothing. So think about how that'll play with your emotions, man.
Speaker 2:No, I mean, I can just think about. Obviously I would never understand this, right. But if you look at the reverse right, you got this gentleman who he's surprised, right, because he's getting robbed. He's not like, he's like yo, I'm about to get robbed tonight. So, boom, he's getting surprised that this is a situation. Now he's involved in a situation he can't really control it and then he loses his life. So that's why the world, that's why life in the world is crazy in a sense, because it's like what led up to his life ending that way, based on decisions that he made prior. But that's the situation that he didn't put himself into Right. He's a casualty of other people's situations.
Speaker 2:So, then you got to think about, like why was his destiny or his life's pattern to pass away that way? And then, okay, let's say he didn't have none, because that's what he said. But did he put anything in place? If he had children, how does this affect his family? You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:It's like all those different dynamics is crazy, especially when it's the same, like if somebody gets hit by a car. If I'm walking to go get lunch and I'm crossing the street and then somebody hits me and I pass, it's like I can't control that. I was just going to get some lunch, but that's how my life was supposed to end. So I think life is really fragile. It's definitely really fragile, but it's interesting because there's some situations you can't control, a lot of situations you can't, and you go out in life every day wanting to put in that work, take care of your family, you know, pour into yourself, help other people and in some situations it might not even be in your control and then a result can happen so that's like the other side of it, which is very it's hard to, it's hard to understand.
Speaker 2:You know I'm saying it's really hard to, it's really hard to digest. Um, so we, you know, I wanted to kind of go back to you, building you know the version of yourself. That is now right. What made you decide to to build out your morning routine or build out your, your daily routine, like that? So you was talking about meditating, obviously, reading, avoiding different things in prison that I'm sure people find themselves easy to get involved in. So walk us through what that routine is for you at that time. Why did you choose to avoid, let's say, gangs or different environments, sub-environments that people get involved in? And then, what was like having that type of focus and having that type of mindset?
Speaker 1:Right. So for me, man, it was all about habits, continual behavior that gives you momentum to be a better person. So it started with my thinking. Remember, I told you accountability, so I had to start thinking different, and when I say thinking different, always contemplating on the ramifications my actions could bring, and I felt like that's something that gets overlooked a lot. That's why a lot of people are in prison because before we commit an action, we never just sit back and think about hey, what could happen? Before I do this, let me foreshadow hey, if I do this, man, this, either have A, b, c or D, that's real life too.
Speaker 1:It's real life, yeah. So it's like, ah, am I ready for those consequences? Nah, I ain't ready for that man. Am I ready for those consequences? Nah, I ain't ready for that man. So I'll just go ahead and pass and I'm going to not do that. And that's how I approach prison with the gangs.
Speaker 1:From what I've seen, it wasn't what they proclaimed, it was Now, because you talk to the average gang member, if you talk to them, they're going to sell you on it. That it's for a cause, it's for a purpose. That's uplifting unity, fight the struggle, go against the struggle. That's against the common people, et cetera, et cetera. For a cause. And it sounds good initially. But me, I'm a person that assesses off action. You tell me that. But then I see your action and that is counterproductive compared to what you presented to me and I'm like, oh man, that ain't real. That ain't real because at one point in time I was leveraging to get affiliated with some gangs because of what they presented and what it meant according to them, according to the initial um formulation of that particular organization, and I was intrigued at first.
Speaker 1:But like I said, man, I see the actions, I see the dynamics and I'm like I don't want to be a part of that. I don't want to be a part of that man. So I decided not to and in certain aspects it was kind of because in prison we call a person that is affiliated a neutron, meaning you're neutral. And it was kind of a struggle being a neutron because you don't have that backing. And one thing about being in the gang you do have backing. No matter right or wrong man, you have a foundation that's going to back you and people respect numbers. So by me being, by myself, a neutron, I had some struggles.
Speaker 1:However, me being from Tampa, tampa usually, on a broad spectrum, sticks together. You got cities that click up Tampa, miami, orlando, et cetera, and Tampa was not bragging about it. But Tampa is a big city and has a very strenuous judicial system, so a lot of people out of Hillsborough County end up going to prison. So therefore, it's a large population coming from Tampa, from that county, and 9 out of 10, we stick together. Now, of course, you got some outliers that just want to do their own thing or get affiliated with a gang and go their own way, but on the majority, on the broad spectrum, temple usually sticks together.
Speaker 1:So I did have some city backing, but it wasn't as organized and fortified as the organization, because you know the gangs it was. I'm not going to say it was organized to the T. Well, I'm going to say this it was organized when it came to violence. It wasn't organized for nothing else, as far as you know, building uplifting, contributing, really elevating the mind and the advancement of the struggle no, but when it came to violence, if they had to get somebody out of the dorm or it was a war, then that's when it was very organized, strategic and fluid. And that's crazy man. That just showed like it's all about brute force man on the next organization, as opposed to really advancing the mental and really having fresh perspective and and using the intangibles to fight the most important war.
Speaker 2:And it's interesting too because like prison could be designed that way. You know, I'm saying right now they're just kind of letting, letting it, let like the prison politics and in that environment just kind of beat.
Speaker 1:But I mean, and also prisons are private, yeah, right, not all, but a lot of a lot of them still ran by state.
Speaker 2:So technically like, especially the state ones. They could have an atmosphere and a curriculum that is supportive of building different mindsets, having certain building blocks, having certain installations of how you should become and change your life, moving forward. They could do that. They could have a whole educational curriculum of how to be a good person, how to be a man or woman that's a positive contributor to society, and start building it up in prison if they wanted to. Right right, you know what I'm saying. So it doesn't have to be ultra-violent. You know machoism super-clicked up, you know, like this race against that race. It don't have to be that way. They just land and rot right.
Speaker 1:But I want to say this, brandon, because you said something that caught my attention. You said that prison, if they wanted to, could foster a more rehabilitating environment by offering other opportunities, courses, et cetera. Right, and I hear you and I agree with you, but at the same time it really doesn't resonate with me because it's all within self. You can't expect the system that was designed to get you in there to liberate you.
Speaker 2:That's like counterproductive. That's like let's go back to the plantation days. You can't expect a slave master to aid you to get out of slavery to liberate you.
Speaker 1:That's like counterproductive, that's like let's go back to the plantation days. You can't expect a slave master to aid you to get out of slavery. That doesn't make any sense. You have to make the decision, the choice that you're going to liberate yourself. And that's the approach I took, because in every institution, man, they always got a library, and that library was my school. I changed my whole thought process and my habits through the books. But I was eating that library up. I ain't, I ain't play with that library, but I was reading all kind of books, all type of self-help books, practical books, some fiction, because, uh, because you can, you can, you can gain emotional intelligence through fictional books by internalizing the character, putting yourself in certain scenarios, stuff like that, and I did that, and also enhancing your vocabulary. It's just numerous, numerous facets of reading that are beneficial, that can advance a human being in a major way, and I recommend everybody, man, start putting reading in your daily regimen. I cannot emphasize this enough. If you start to read, I guarantee your life will change, your vernacular will change, your articulation will change, your whole perspective on life will change and people will respect you for it. People will look to you for answers, because you're reading, because you have substance when you talk.
Speaker 1:I was 18 years old, I was a leader in prison, but I had people 40, 50 years old wanting to get answers for me. I won't put a time when I was trailblazing and when I had my mentor, because let me, let me, let me elaborate a little bit more about Osiris man. Osiris poured into me. I went through many schools of thought in prison. I was a Christian, I was a Hebrew, israelite, I was a Bible sinner, I even practiced Buddhism. Man, and one thing that I identified in all these schools of thought different science, same objective. The objective was to get you to your highest self, to get you to that elite level of a human being, to where your divinity has dominion over your lower nature.
Speaker 1:And if you don't know, if you're familiar with the ancient Egyptians and that's why it's great to learn from our ancestors, from our predecessors, the ancient Egyptians they were very aware, they were very conscious of the anatomy and that's what the sphinx represents, the human head with the bestial body. And that signified allowing your divinity, your highest level of conscious, to have dominion over your lower nature, your lower frequency. You know what I mean, because it entails in everybody. We all have a bestial nature, but we also have we all have a divinity that controls that bestial nature, which is emotions. That allows us to supersede and not allow our judgment to be clouded by our lower nature. And that's something I learned through reading, through constant studying.
Speaker 1:And Osiris man, like I said, it's a saying that the Hebrews have a dead Jacob and that meant that somebody who still had the veil over their eyes, that wasn't conscious yet they didn't really have the enlightenment, self-enlightenment, self-awareness that they needed to move forward in life and progress in life. Osiris man he taught me politics, science, knowledge of self, how to conduct myself, how to speak, how to present myself. He just taught me all these intangibles and I took it with me and I became a leader man and he departed like shortly after I'm not going to say shortly, but after a year of having a rapport with Osiris. He had a strong rapport with a faculty member and they suspected them of having sex, but he told me personally they never had sex, but the rapport was so strong that people got jealous and envious so they ratted on them and by law, by institutional rule, if it gets out that you have a above normal rapport with a faculty member, they have to ship you out. So Osiris was taken from me and I'll never forget.
Speaker 1:That experience was very heartbreaking. Man, that was like my dad. I can actually say, man, you know, outside of my biological dad, I know it. Having a father figure is like Osiris was a father figure to me, man. I love that dude from the bottom of my heart. Man Never took advantage. All he did was nurture and develop a great human being that you're witnessing today. Seriously, man, I owe that guy a lot.
Speaker 2:So, bro, I can tell that you've grown a lot from that initial decision that you made that obviously led you in prison. Most definitely You've done a lot of work on self. You've done a lot of work on emotional intelligence. You can tell with your diction and the way that you speak and the way that you carry yourself, the way that you enunciate, and obviously the vocabulary is there, the mindset is there, the foresight is there, the vision is there. The foresight is there, the vision is there. So how are you helping people? What do you have to offer people that may be in a situation where you used to be at? How are you helping other people change their lives now?
Speaker 1:Well, first and foremost, I'm helping people by becoming my best self. I feel like, in order to help the world, I must become my best self to make myself more useful to you, and this is what past is all about. Man, prevail against self-sabotage because, if we look at it, we could be our our best friend, but we also to be our worst enemy, all depending on the choices and the circumstance we place ourselves in. So initially I self-sabotaged. I made a choice influenced by emotions that put me in prison. However, I also made another choice that put me in an advantageous situation, derived from emotions that made me an elite individual and gives me advantages that I have today.
Speaker 1:So how I'm helping people is showing you how I did it through my program.
Speaker 1:It's called the PAST program and it entails nurturing and developing healthy habits.
Speaker 1:That enables people to not self-sabotage Because, like I said, we are responsible for the good and the bad in regards to the predicament that we're currently in and in order to change your situation, you must change you for the better, and if you don't, then the situation is going to change you, and when I say it's going to change you, it's going to put you in a low frequency, in a depressive state, going to submerge you in hatred, envious of the next man that is not on that level, that's operating at a higher frequency, but now you're jealous of him and now you find yourself trying to take from him Operating at a lower level.
Speaker 1:So I just help people unlock a superpower that's in it, that dwells in every human being, and I guarantee you, if you unlock this superpower, which is eq emotional intelligence, you will have substantial results in life. You'll perform better in all your entrepreneurship endeavors, your workforce, parenting, interpersonal communication, all facets of life. Emotional intelligence is the catalyst. When you master that and you fortify that, it's inevitable that you will be great in anything that you do. And that's the platform that I provide a breeding platform, a nurturing platform, digging out that emotional intelligence that will enable you to be a great individual who would be perfect fit for the program.
Speaker 2:So so you feel like it would be men that were recently incarcerated. Do you feel like those are individuals who would be perfect for the PASS program, or do you feel like it could also benefit maybe an individual that's never been locked up, maybe just locked up in the mind, doesn't really have direction who do you feel like would be a really good fit for the services that you provide?
Speaker 1:Well, honestly, man, it's universal, it's for everybody. It's universal, it's for men and women, Anybody who is stagnant, who is stagnant by their bad habits, you know, anchored down by low frequencies that is prohibiting them to reach their pinnacle in life, to reach their highest state of divinity. Man, anybody who's lacking motivation, accountability, who needs a blueprint, an actual structure of getting to an elite level. That's who it's for, but also for the people that's just getting released from prison. Man, if you don't have a guidance, if you don't have an outline on how you should execute, you know, in the process of getting acclimated back to society, this is for you, man, because, listen, I didn't go to Harvard. This is no cap, this is no facade, this is not something for you to sell.
Speaker 1:I really want to help you, king queen, if you're coming from that background, I want to show you that there is hope, that you can redeem yourself. But the question is are you going to put in the effort, are you going to put in the work? Because, where I'm at today, as a guy that went in at the age of 16, got out at 29, did a decade plus incarcerated, I stand before you today making six figures. I have financial freedom. No, I'm not a millionaire yet, but I have the freedom to do whatever I please and my life is amazing and I want you to experience that. Experience the same feeling on opportunities that I'm blessed with because it can be done.
Speaker 2:So what are some of the things you do now? So you're out of prison? Um, you don't work for no one.
Speaker 1:No, I don't work right, you, you have your own company, right?
Speaker 2:so, uh, what made you start this company? What is the company? And then, what products or services do you provide?
Speaker 1:all right, so I'm gonna start from the inception man. Three years, um, excuse me, excuse me, three months upon my release, I started a vending company.
Speaker 2:It's called Van Zet.
Speaker 1:Vending Inc and it was a vending. It started off vending machines.
Speaker 1:You talking like sodas and candy yeah yeah, to check this out, though, brandon, I started off with one candy machine and people laughed at me man, family and friends. They laughed at me when I first got out oh man, candy machine, what the hell. And people laughed at me man, family and friends. They laughed at me when I first got out oh man, candy machine, what the hell. Come on, boy, you can do better than that, really, man. But see, they didn't see the vision, they didn't understand that vending machines, particularly candy machines, it's a numbers game.
Speaker 1:So, they looked at it as one machine, but I saw it bigger. What if I had five to ten machines and each one is yielding a quarter every day for 30 days straight?
Speaker 2:they all how much money I'm bringing in passively, yes, meaning my presence doesn't have to be there in order for me to make money, hundred percent.
Speaker 1:So, while I'm simultaneously participating in other endeavors, I'm making money. Facts are you having some struggles? Are you feeling like you're running around like a chicken with your head cut off? I was once that person too, and I'm here to tell you, man, that there is hope, that there is a way to escape. I did 13 years off a 15-year prison sentence man, and when I got out it was hard for me to get re-acclimated, but I had to go back to what I nurtured and developed in prison and apply it out here, and that's effective, healthy habits, and I want to share them with you. If you are the individual that feel like that's unmotivated, that feel like you're having a hard time reaching your pinnacle, you want more in life. Dm me, man, dm me. The word PREVAIL and me and my team will work with you, nurture and develop you and get you to a level that will advance you, whether it's in the workforce, entrepreneurship, being a better parent, personal skills, all that above man. We're here to help and provide you a substantial platform. Tap in. They didn't see that, and I just started off with one and I just got momentum with one and I just got momentum, momentum, momentum. One turn to 10 to the point where I started delving into a soda machine. I remember I got blessed by the most high man. I bought my first soda machine for 50 bucks. I caught the personal offer up. They were moving out of state and he couldn't take the soda machine with him. It was too much of a headache. The soda machine was listed for like two weeks, but that day was a deadline. They were leaving in a couple hours and they said hey, man, you can have the solar machine right now for 50 bucks, but you have to get it within the next hour.
Speaker 1:And at the time I was working. I was in pennsylvania on the project, but my girlfriend at the time she was home and, uh, I seen it and I immediately called the phone. I said baby, listen, you got to go get that. I was like, listen, I sent it. I sent her the offer up, uh, link, and she said like, oh, wow, really. I said, man, you got to go get that. I need you to make a sacrifice. Go get that, give them $50, man, and go get that. And she went and got that for me, man. So I had my first little machine. It took a couple weeks to place it. I placed it in that one sort of machine turned into 10 man and and I just started making more money, more money, more minimum, to the point where I felt confident to delve into other business adventures.
Speaker 1:One point in time, man, I remember I was doing dropshipping with vape products Because I worked for this company called Green Earth Building Maintenance, and what it entailed was it required me to travel all throughout the nation nurturing and developing Amazon buildings for operation. So I was doing that. So I was in different cities, different states, right, but while I'm in different states, different cities, I had took advantage of this class that it was giving out in regards to drop shipping vape products to local vape companies. So while I'm in these different cities, I'm practicing that. So I was making a few bucks there local vape companies. So, while I'm in these different cities, I'm practicing that. So I was making a few bucks there.
Speaker 1:It didn't last that long because it wasn't what the people professed it to be, but I did have some similar success. I can't lie, I did make a little money. But, yeah, I started that man and I was just on a momentum wave and um, eventually, uh, I stopped that because this is my whole philosophy. When I got up and and I want people to hear me the job I had I was minimum bringing home twelve hundred dollars a month, minimum, brother. The max I experienced on the job was like 1950. Worked some hell of overtime but 1950 weekly is a lot of money, especially considering brother getting out of prison. So I quit that job paying that handsomely to pursue full thought of entrepreneurship.
Speaker 2:So just to follow that up right, just to recap that so you're saying it was $1,200 a month or $1,200 a week. So a minimum of $1,200 a month but maximum like $1,900 a week.
Speaker 1:Yeah, $1,200 a week.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay, so $1,200 a week minimum, but you could have got up to like $1,900, $2,000 a week, depending on the overtime. Yeah, yeah yeah, okay, all I was making bank.
Speaker 1:At the time I was making bank bro Like, seriously, I never experienced that much money in my life, which is basically 100 grand, bro.
Speaker 2:I was making good money. So where you at is basically you out not too long after you release you making almost 100 grand Mm-hmm. Working for someone else, working for someone else.
Speaker 1:So take us from there, but I wasn't fulfilled, bro. It wasn't enough. I, I wanted, I wanted my own man.
Speaker 2:I felt like no employer on the planet earth can pay me my value.
Speaker 1:No, that's yeah, I feel like. I feel like my wits, my efforts, my intangibles are priceless and I and I was always willing to bet on myself. So I remember, um, I was kind of like laid off for a month because my job December time is very slow so I was likely to be off work for like three weeks, and three weeks of not getting paid when I'm accustomed to getting the minimum of twelve hundred a week, yeah, I wasn't feeling that I'm like you know what I got to control.
Speaker 1:I can't allow somebody else to control my financial destiny. So if you want to change the situation, you must change the situation. So I looked in other endeavors and I came across Airbnb, bro, I heard great things about Airbnb. I got intrigued, so I looked for mentorship. I looked for a coach, somebody who can help me and edify me on everything about Airbnb. And I hired a coach and this coach helped me get my feet with an Airbnb man.
Speaker 1:And no lie, brandon, I started with a. This is the significance. I started with a ran-down townhouse, bro. The significance with the townhouse. It was literally the same neighborhood and eight houses down from the townhouse that I got incarcerated from. Because when I got incarcerated, they came to my house of detectives. They brought me out of the house Mom crying, my little brother whining, crying. He was a baby, he was three years old and they took me to the precinct, questioned me and from there I never seen daylight to the age of 29. But isn't that ironic, bro? In the same neighborhood, a business in the same neighborhood, eight townhouses down from the house I got incarcerated from. That's how life be. I'm making money from this one. That's how life be, bro. So it meant a lot to me, man, and I told it, I elaborated it to the landlord, and that story within itself moved him.
Speaker 1:He was like you know what? I'm going to give you a shot and see how you do. So I was paying $1,600 a month for this townhouse, bro. On average, I was bringing in $8,000 a month for one townhouse, and my hack was, instead of going the normal route, just making the whole entire house available, I was doing rooms, man. I was trapping out rooms, bro. I'm talking about $80, $90 a day for a room. You'll be amazed, bro, on the traffic you'll get, bro. So it's like, man, I had that thing pumping like a room in the house, man, and it was an amazing experience, brother. It really was, and I'm always about momentum. I'm real big on momentum. You want to give yourself momentum because that leads you to doing more and to not get complacent. So once I got that, I got a taste of blood, like a shark, great white. I got a taste of blood. I want more. I want another Airbnb, another Airbnb, another Airbnb, to the point where I had like five of them, man, and at one point in time, bro, I was bringing in like $35,000 a month, just off Airbnb. So that was an amazing experience, man.
Speaker 1:But eventually things change. It's inevitable. It's life, and when business starts to slow down and stagnate, it's time to change the format. Pivot, time to pivot. Yeah, so I had to pivot. Airbnb was no longer relinquishing the proceeds that I was accustomed to, so instead of just sinking in the quicksand, I had to be proactive. I had to find another avenue. So I had this uh, at the time, this friend, he um, we did time in prison, actually and I always, always see him have cars for rent on facebook. Now, one point in time I was trying to rent my car. I had an extra car, extra vehicle that I was trying to rent to the public, but I was trying to do it via toro, but to no avail. Toro was taking too much money. It just wasn't fair. Fair, this didn't make sense. I didn't like the whole structure and dynamics of the platform. So I seen him and I got intrigued.
Speaker 1:So I'm like yo, bro, man what you doing what you got going on here, man, what is this man? Because I'm trying to do something similar. I'm trying to go through Turo. When you go through Turo, how Turo working for you? He was like nah, man, turo, man, you ain't studying. No, 2-0, 2-0. Why you need 2-0? Do all this stuff by yourself. So I'm like what what you talking about? I'm intrigued. Now he's like yeah, mo, do all that by yourself, bro.
Speaker 1:I said look, man, what does it worth to you? I'm like, bro, whatever man I'm willing to pay for the game I and growth, I will pay you. I have no problem with that. He said, bro, give me 5K. So I'm like ah, I'm like hey, brother, we're in prison together. You're going to pay me, you're going to charge me 5K. But I said you know what and this is a quote I live by to everybody out here Listen Poor, poor people look at price.
Speaker 1:Rich people look at value facts. Do not fixate on how some, how much, something costs. Fixate on the value and the roi it can bring to you 100 once invested. That's the best advice I can possibly give you. So, yeah, so I did. Said you know what, fuck it. One thing about me a lot of people. They'll go broke on buying material things Gucci, louis, fendi, traffic and vacations, et cetera but they never want to go broke on themselves. Facts and I was like, bro, if anything, I'm gonna go broke on myself, I'm gonna invest in myself. So I gave him the 5K, he gave me the blueprint, he gave me the structure. I took off. I had a Nissan, also 2015. I still have to this day making me money. I transitioned Vans at vending to Vans at car rentals, started as a DBA and I started renting cars. I was doing great man. I made like 100K no cap, in my first four or five months so that 5k um yielded you an opportunity to continue to make money.
Speaker 2:So a lot of people would be like damn a 5k. I don't know it's five, it's 10, 25, but with them not picking up on obviously. Obviously what you have in and um myself exactly is that investment that you make is really an investment in yourself. And once you learn that skill, you can continue to make money on that skill. So you're going to be able to get your money back and more, because now you have the skill set so you can make money from, obviously, doing the skill set. But then you can also make money the same way the individual helped you out is you can charge for the game. So now there's multiple ways and multiple avenues for you to monetize on that skill set once you invest in yourself.
Speaker 1:Well, definitely, that's exactly what I did, bro, and, like I said, I made 100K in my first four or five months, respectfully, and like wow, but something was missing though I was doing it, but I just felt something was missing. Though I was doing it, but I just felt something was missing in my, my, my process. Man, I didn't. I wasn't fully founded and grounded. So I looked for more mentorship because my friend, he was doing it impromptu and I seen certain loose ends that needed to be tightened but I didn't really have the know-how to tighten. So I sought out the other mentorship and I caught one of my mans, man and I'm going to drop his name, man, because he's helped me a lot. Man, he helped me make 500K last year. Respectfully, it's Mike the Businessman. Yeah, I know Mike. Yeah, mike the Businessman, he's dope man, he's incredible. And, yeah, I know Mike, yeah, mike the business man, he's dope man, he's incredible. And once I got with him, my game elevated because he told me he showed me how to really properly structure and get the most out of the rental car game. And once I did that man, I just shot off and it was murder. She run after that. You know, with the proper structure of contracts.
Speaker 1:You know numerous ways to upsell your customer, marketing, how to approach customers and um to everybody, mo, my philosophy, my message, is predicated on emotional intelligence. That's what I speak about. That's what I'm passionate about because, like I say, emotional intelligence is the catalyst of all aspects in life and I I found that being strong in emotional intelligence led to my success in the rental car space because, hear me out, I'm a cash car rental business. We're talking about cash people, very sensitive, a lot of emotions derived from people and cash. So the reason why emotional intelligence is so paramount, particularly in the rental car space for those who are interested, is that you got to know how to handle your customer. You have to know how to communicate. You got to have to know how to empathize Not sympathize but empathize, being able to recognize, label and understand the emotion within self as well in the customers, because if you don't't, things can get ugly. Emotional intelligence is responsible for me getting in violent affairs with certain customers, because certain customers I've experienced in the rental car space they, uh, they breached contract, they did something that is prohibited in the contract and because of that your deposit is fortified. Like I say, if we're talking about humans and money. It gets a little sticky so they try to blow up at you and pose your will.
Speaker 1:And one thing about me I never been passive. I never been soft a day in my life, but I also was never the gorilla either. I always was able to keep a balance, assertive, in the middle. So I have to be assertive, keep my emotions composed, because I don't want to react off instinct and put myself in an unfortunate situation because I have a six-figure garnering business. I don't want to jeopardize that, end up back in prison getting assault charged, killing somebody, somebody killing me.
Speaker 1:So I had to be very prudent on my approach, on my communication skills, on composing my emotions now allowing how I feel to supersede my rationale 100%. You know what I'm saying and that has helped me and that's why I'm still to this day, striving and thriving in the rental car space, because it's more than just about giving out cars. Man, have to have a structure. You have to have yourself mentally and emotionally composed to deal with people. And, um, yeah, man. So, like I say, the mentorship, investing in mentorship, helped me elevate my game and, uh, that's why I have the success I have today, man, and now outside of life coaching. That's what, what I do. You know what I mean. I have my successful running card business and I do life coaching.
Speaker 2:So let's touch on the life coaching real quick, because leadership, the accountability, the emotional intelligence right, but you're also speaking right Impacting the people. So, with the, the life coaching, how are you making an impact there, right? How? How are you putting yourself in a position to make an impact there? And then, what made you want to have that alongside, you know, with doing a rental car business, because with the rental car business you can focus all your time there, right? You know I'm saying what, if you learn in the habits that you put together, you, you can just keep those to yourself. You can continue to improve your life. Why was it important for you to have a life coaching offer, or want to go down that path, to be more in a leadership position speak, teach, train and impact people?
Speaker 1:I want to be honest with you, brendan man. I have to be very transparent and vulnerable with my avatar man, because I want y'all to hear me and I'm going to answer that question. But though I was able to identify that silver lining in that dark cloud of my prison experience, able to behoove me as opposed to hinder me, and come out unscathed into the great individual I am today, I still face struggles. Upon my release, I was self-sabotaging, I was indulging in behaviors that was not aligned with my purpose and prohibiting me from reaching my pinnacle. And I caught it. And I caught it at a great time and I understand how easy it is to be devoured by those pleasurable emotions, because pleasure feels good, it naturally releases endorphins and serotonin in the brain that, you know, encourages us to indulge in it more. But with everything in life, access is detrimental Anything access. So I was in that boat and I had to realign myself and say hey, when I got out of prison, I always said I wanted to contribute and leave an indelible pressure on the world in a major way. I can't do that by succumbing and be a victim to my self-sabotage. I had to make a change. So I need a course correction. So I had to reestablish my rapport with the most high and get back to the habits that I nurtured and developed while incarcerated and practice and exercise them out here in the free world. And once I did that, those habits, I was able to regain that strength, that self-esteem, and operate at a high level frequency that enabled me to provide to the people a platform that can unlock your potential, your power to receive substantial results as well. And again, that's what PASS stands for, prevalent Against Self-Sabotage. And that's just what it is, man, because, like a lot of people, they see my life on Instagram and, oh, man, you know he got out, you know, at 16 he didn't let it consume him this and that.
Speaker 1:But I had struggles getting out of prison, man, and I'll show one of my struggles man, um, sex encountering with women. I was fortunate to, you know, take care of my body, get out with some size. Um, from what the women tell me, I'm a handsome guy. A woman was attracted to me because of my articulation skills, my ambition, my drive, so I'm getting a lot of female attention. But remember, brother, I left when I was 16. So my interaction and my experience with women was really absent because I never dealt with a woman before. I dealt with girls, but I really ain't dealt with no woman. I'm talking about a grown-ass woman. So I had a hard time adjusting to that.
Speaker 1:So it's like I'm getting in my emotions and then, you know, I'm getting the female attention, the affection, getting into a whole, nother level of sex, and want more, want more and more because I was deprived from being sequestered from society for a prolonged period of time. So, like I say, the pleasure, it feels good. I want more and more and more, to the point where now I'm down on a slippery slope. Now I became an addiction and that's why, brother, I never look down upon nobody that has a drug addiction, gambling addiction, alcohol addiction, because I was an addict. I know how it feels. I was addicted, addicted to sex. Man. I'm serious, bro. I don't know if you man, sex is a drug man if not utilized in the proper manner. I was sabotaging, bro. I was not fulfilling my purpose. Listen, man, I told myself when I was locked up, bro, I say by the age of 35, I'm going to be a self-made man. Now, well, today, brother, I'm 35. I sit before you at the age of 35. I'm not a millionaire.
Speaker 2:Yet I made six figures, but I'm not a millionaire yet, well, you're a millionaire in the mind, in the mind, and all it takes is that for the mind and time to line up. So you got to be here first. Got to be here first.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but in order to get it from the fiscally standpoint, I had to change. I had to build the healthy, strong habits and destroy the masculine habits. And that's what I did I have. I had to go back to the drawing board. I had to remember what my purpose was, because I was acting out of my purpose. At one point in time, man, I was lost. I was running around like a chicken with my head cut off and it was killing me. Bro, yeah, it feels good to be hitting the baddies and out partying, hanging out, but then what about in the morning, when you just spent hundreds thousands of dollars entertaining?
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying. You feel empty inside. What are you accomplishing? I'm constantly procrastinating, lazy. I'm thinking about is the sex, mm-hmm, the lust. So I had to make some changes. I had to remember what the Sphinx represented.
Speaker 1:Everybody said that earlier the ancient Egyptians, because the ancient Egyptians conveyed to us the human nature and how to supersede and succeed in life. I was so involved and tapped into my lower nature that my divinity wasn't in control. I wasn't feeding my divinity. But I had to get back to that and start feeding my divinity, to put my divinity to strengthen and enable it to have control of my lower nature. And that's where I'm at today.
Speaker 1:I no longer have that addiction. I no longer have that sex problem, because I realigned my definitive purpose. And if you align with your definitive purpose, man, no distraction. You will have no hurdle that can be able to sustain. Because, like I always say not to get off topic, man you got two type of people in this world. You got the purpose driven people and you got the pleasure driven people.
Speaker 1:Now, the pleasure driven people are the people that are victims of impulsive and compulsive gratification what feels good, what can escape me or take me away from reality. And the reality is you need to get your shit together, you need to get yourself in a better circumstance, because we're doing all this partying and indulging and vacating and all this pleasurable affairs and we ain't got our priorities in order. What sense does that make as opposed to the purpose-driven person, the person that has the strength and the ability to crucify the pleasure, understanding that the ultimate goal, which is fulfilling the purpose, outweighs what the pleasure can present to that person on all costs. That's what the motive is, because once we fulfill our purpose and we have that foundation, life's all about balance. You can have some pleasure, but let's have our pleasure in a standpoint of power, while our priorities are in order and we have the means and the resources in the fortified psyche to handle the pleasure appropriately and not allowing it to consume us. Remember, don't be consumed by the fire, but purified by the fire.
Speaker 2:Yeah, 100%.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, facts. So, man, we covered a lot bro. Yeah, 100%, yeah for sure, facts. So, man, we covered a lot, bro. Um, I think I read also that your father right. So so, um, you got a daughter, yeah, a daughter and a son. How old are your kids?
Speaker 1:uh, my daughter. She's two, her name's Rosie and I named her specifically that royalty because she's royalty to me, but I wanted the world to see her as royalty as well. But all I'm going to teach her in order for the world to treat you like royalty, you must first treat yourself as royalty. You have to have self-dignity. If you want the world to respect, you must respect yourself first. So I named her that because I always wanted um names have meaning and I want her to depict and execute the attributes of a name.
Speaker 1:And then I have my son, king. His real name is King Lobby and he's not my biological, but he's my son and I love him to death and I'll do anything for him. So I don't like to say I want you to turn stepson, because I'm willing to die for him if I have to. I'm willing to make that sacrifice and I say this wholeheartedly. So he's my son. And they're an amazing kid, they're phenomenal and though they get on my nerves at times, they have built a character of patience that enables me to have more patience with the world, because you know what I'm saying. Kids, man. They need attention, they need affection and sometimes they don't always listen the first time you tell them, and sometimes adults don't either, especially in the workforce and the entrepreneur endeavors. You got to tell somebody something more than one time, so, giving me the patience and the strength to be able to sustain, I got it derived from them, so it's a blessing man. I love it, man. So entrepreneur, father, leader, speaker.
Speaker 2:Yes, sir, Life changer speaker. Yes sir. Life changer.
Speaker 1:Life changer man. You know what?
Speaker 2:I'm saying how can people get in contact with you and what do you actually have for the people? So if somebody wants to get in contact with you, how can they do that? And if they do get in contact with you, what can they look for?
Speaker 1:Okay, so you can get in contact with me at my Instagram right now. It's real underscore Mo Nelson Speaks man.
Speaker 2:We'll put that link below.
Speaker 1:Yeah, put that link in there and you can just shoot me a DM, shoot me the word Prevail and let me know that you're serious. And I offer a blueprint. It's called the PASS Blueprint Prevailing Against Self-Sabotage Blueprint, and what in this blueprint? It entails healthy habits that I actually execute on a daily basis.
Speaker 1:We're going to help identify your why and if you don't have a why, I'm going to ask you your why. And if you don't have a why, we're going to help develop your why. And we're going to cover what definitive purpose is, the power of it and the importance of it. And if you don't have one, we're going to identify your purpose. And also, man, we're going to get your temple right, because exercising correlates significantly with heightening your emotional intelligence. You want to take care of your temple because when you look good, you feel good and that has a profound effect on your self good and that has a profound effect on your self-esteem. And when your self-esteem is at an all time high, your frequency frequency is at a high level. And when your frequency is a high level, you don't reciprocate or indulge in lower frequency activities.
Speaker 1:You get what I'm saying and, um, that's, that's something that we foster, that's something that we help you with with your macros, with your nutritional plans um, some for some people that you don't know where to start at in the gym, as far as what workout regimens, uh, um, to partake in. We help you with that as well. We'll create you a custom workout routine designed according to your desired body goals and many more. But you know, tap me in with me, man, because I want to help you. I want to take you from mediocre to elite man and um, that's that's what I have to offer. Work one-on-one with me. I have elite, uh coaching program and then I have my mid-level for the people that, um, not as financially stable, need a little more help, need a lower level. So you got stuff for everybody.
Speaker 2:Got stuff for everybody?
Speaker 1:No, matter where you at financially. I got a platform, I got a program for you and I want to help. I built myself up in prison and out here to help and serve you all, because I really believe that it's my purpose is to provide servitude. So you know, tap in with me and let's work, man, let's build, let's become great elite, human beings, man and be unconquered.
Speaker 2:Yo man, this podcast was dope bro. I feel like I learned a lot, obviously, about your story, but uh, more so than that. I really feel like you genuinely want to help people most definitely. I feel like I feel like, um, just based off of your life experience and then your investment in improving and changing your life, I really feel strongly and passionately about you wanting to actually make a difference in people's lives. You know what I mean. I feel like there's a lot of people obviously that want to get on platforms. Come on podcasts, youtube channels, content. They might just want to push a product, they might want to leverage the content, just to take something from the people, so then they could you know, they could benefit from it.
Speaker 2:But, I don't feel like that. I don't feel like that for me.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I don't want to say something too, man, because this whole heart man like this is like on the court right here and I never told nobody this man, it's just kind of it's a little sensitive. It kind of choked me up a little bit. It's kind of it's a little sensitive. It kind of choked me up a little bit. For a long time, man, I feared being on the other side of the coin, always feared of like one day man, what if some youngins that are misguided, that doesn't understand their potential, who lack opportunity, want to roll up on me and want to rob me because they see my jewelry, because they don't have no father figure, they don't have the correct guidance, they don't have a precedent, man. So that in itself is what motivates me, man, because I want to show you, young brother, young queen, that you do have opportunity, that you are great, that you have options. You don't have to succumb to those lower frequency affairs and I feel like giving this platform, just my story alone, can contribute to the world in a major way. Because I want to leave an indelible impression, because sometimes I still have forgiveness issue within myself and I feel like I can never bring the guy back that was a victim of my case, but I can at least somehow make it right by contributing something positive and preventing people from indulging in the same affairs that I indulged in, because life is real, man. So this is really from the heart. I ain't go to Harvard to this, ain't? I'm just trying to sell you something. It ain't about none of that.
Speaker 1:I really want to help man. I really want to help man because I don't want somebody to experience what I experienced at the age of 16, man, because it was cold. Yeah, I made it look easy, but it took a strong level of mental fortitude to do that and everybody's equipped with that. I'm one of the real ones. But I never want the that young queen out there, that young king out there at 15, 16, as an adolescent, to experience what I experienced man, because it's very daunting, it can be very challenging to come up out of man. So here's your chance right now wise, wise people. Learn from the mistakes of others.
Speaker 1:You don't necessarily have to go through what I went went through. Allow me to go through it and live through me, and allow my experience to be instrumental to your development.
Speaker 2:So definitely want to end, definitely want to end the pod with just you know again, like letting you know and letting y'all, letting y'all know if y'all are really tapped in, especially if you made it this far, I definitely feel like you're genuine, you truly want to help people and I think that you learn a lot from the lessons that you had to go through. And then, obviously, building yourself up, being vulnerable, because you say, yeah, you got out, but you got to introduce new challenges, and some of the new challenges involve being addicted to sex, right, and then navigating that right, um. So, yeah, bro, like you, you got a world of of knowledge, ton, tons of experiences that I definitely feel like um can help people. But definitely want to ask you we got bugs in here crazy? Definitely want to ask you we got bugs in here, crazy?
Speaker 2:Definitely want to touch on that prison experience real quick. You know what I'm saying. Before we get out of here, man, what was it really like? Because I've never been to prison. You know you mentioned obviously you're going to have dudes that's going to impose their brute strength. You're going to have dudes that are going to impose their brute strength. You're going to have dudes that are going to succumb to emasculation. And then obviously you got, like you said, the neutrons, the people in the middle. So paint a picture for me, like if you know if I ever went to prison, or those that may never go to prison. What does that picture actually look like? What are some of the experiences that you've seen, good, bad or indifferent? What are some of the situations you might have just maybe just came from eating, going wherever you're going, or maybe you're getting out, maybe you're outside. What are some of the craziest things you've seen?
Speaker 1:All right. So for starters, man, the number one way to survive prison starts with a high level of emotional intelligence. If it wasn't for the strength of my emotional intelligence, I wouldn't have survived prison the way I survived. Because when I say a high level of emotional intelligence, it's being able to be aware of your emotions and your moods, but also being in control of the impulse and the urges. Prime example, when somebody makes you mad.
Speaker 1:It was moments in prison where somebody said something to me that was disrespectful and initially off instinct, I want to hit him in the mouth. But then you have to assess hey, is that the optimal choice right now? Because if I hit him in the mouth and I see it was always like multiple choices in my mind If I hit him in the mouth and I see it was always like multiple choice in my mind If I hit him in the mouth, hey look, you got gang brothers in here. Am I ready for that war right now? Two, am I ready to lose my game time? Game time is the time accumulated that lets you get out early. Am I ready to put that on the line? Am I ready to go into confinement Because you can have momentum while in prison Like I had momentum, I was learning confinement, because you can have momentum. While in prison, like I had momentum, I was learned, I was growing, I was developing, I was taking advantage of courses, I was meeting people, networking. I don't want to go to confinement over something that.
Speaker 1:That that, on a broad spectrum, was really, if you take yourself out of your emotions, was minute. Um, you know many, many, many, um many factors, right? So you conclude that, hey, is it really that that serious? But then on the flip side, there's certain instances that transpires like well, you know what you have to. You have to because if you don't, it's going to be a domino effect and now you're going to have a hard time in prison. Prime example One thing is a finger check.
Speaker 1:Never allow no man to finger check you. I don't give a damn what the circumstance is If you allow another man to finger check you, especially in prison, life in general. But in prison you're going to find yourself in a very compromising situation. And what I mean by that? You might be washing another man's rolls man for free. You get what I'm saying you giving up your canteen, being bullied. You know what I mean being shoved around. You're going to have a hard time, man, because with prison you have to have a balance.
Speaker 1:Me, I was never the gorilla. I wasn't the hardest, I didn't have the hardest fight game, but I wasn't the weakest either and I did know how to fight and I did know how to defend myself pretty well, but somebody for everybody. And I didn't walk around with my chest like I couldn't die. And that's what a lot of people bullies they mess up at in prison. Because you got those bullies, you got them people that think because they got a little muscle, you can't die, or because you stabbed a few people that nobody can't stab you Like nah, and that's the same thing in the free world. Because you got a gun and you shot a couple dudes and you got some clout. You ain't a human. A bullet don't harm you as well. And I just always had such a dislike for that mentality. So I was the total opposite of that. I was the guy that you know what. I don't want no drama. I don't want no trouble. I ain't going to your locker. You ain't going to mine, fam. I don't want no trouble. I ain't going to your locker. You ain't going to mine, fam. I ain't going to disrespect you. You're going to disrespect me. I ain't in your way, please don't get in my way. And it was very important for me, bernie, because this is real man. I'm about to really take you into the lifestyle of prison, bro.
Speaker 1:I seen dudes man read the Bible Because on a broad spectrum like me, it could have got misconstrued that I was scared that I was doing all this constructive and practical skills and development because I was just scared to be in the trenches of prison. Because a lot of people hide behind that A lot of child molesters, a lot of people that's in prison for crime that they're ashamed of, that will be a target on their back raping, playing with kids, etc. Those are the ones that's heavily in the Bible trying to better themselves, they trying to keep people off their ass. But sometimes that shit gets revealed. That shit gets known like no, you ain't finna hide. So I seen dudes reading the Bible in the midst of reading the Bible, praying to the God. Bible stopped at their hand. Beat up, beat up to a pope. Bullied Ain't even respect the Bible, don't care nothing about you trying to better yourself. You weep, you pray, you're going to get ate. So you see, a guy like me that's really taking this stuff serious, that's developing, that's trying to make the most out of my prison experience, not being consumed by it, but purified by it.
Speaker 1:It got a few times where I got mistaken to be in that box. Now I had somebody that did that crime. But I'm talking about that journey, that type of time where it's like, man, you just scared, you just ain't got where to take this environment. No, no, I got where to take it. Nah, I'm in the mud.
Speaker 1:So it was times where I had to fight, where I didn't want to fight. I had to do some stuff in prison. I didn't want to do that. I don't want to sell records, but I had to do. If I didn't, bro, I would have been fooled. I had to get in that grid. You know what took me a few times Out of what 13 years in full incarceration Maybe had what?
Speaker 1:Eight fights. That's great compared to 16 to 29 only had eight fights. Man, I feel like I won. I feel like that's great, that's a pat on my back, because I know, guys, man that had 100 fights in three months. You feel what I'm saying and I always said man that had 100 fights in three months. You feel what I'm saying and I always said, man, if I fight, every time I feel disrespected, bringing it out, we'll be dead man, and it's the same thing on the street.
Speaker 1:That's why you have a lot of these road rage incidents, because people fall victim to the impulsivity of their emotions, instead of controlling it, instead of you know, not taking it personal, taking yourself outside of your emotions. Because one thing in life, man, you never know the war another man is facing. You ever got cut off in traffic before and I'm going to get back to the prison. You got cut off in traffic before and you're like man, god, man, what the hell wrong with you? And you get mad. You find yourself, but think about it. Find yourself, but think about it.
Speaker 1:What if that person has a child that's in the hospital, that's having complications, and they were just getting off work and they need to tend to their child? What if mom had a stroke and they need to tend to their mother? What if they got a certain emergency that really kind of warrants because you're having a good, blessed day, you want your way to shoot another podcast, which is important, but it ain't detriment to your well-being. They got something that's detriment to their well-being. So they cut you off and initially you're like but you never know. But I guarantee, if you would have known that, I guarantee you would have been cussing and fussing and, you know, get all aggressive with them. Yes, sir, go ahead, brother, go, yeah, I'll wait, go. So that's why EQ is so paramount. And so back to the prison experience, man.
Speaker 1:Emotional intelligence was very paramount because you just had to have a balance, man. You had to know when and how to respond and react, because there's a difference Responding is committing to action, calculated, doing a calculated action. Reacting is just going Without no thought, no calculation, just instinct, just because it happened, and sometimes that can get you in a very unfortunate situation. So I always had to think and put my emotions in perspective and not allow them to get the best of me because it felt right. Because when we talk about pleasure and purpose, when we're in an emotional state like, let's say, somebody got up under your skin, they disrespected you, you're mad the instant gratification for you at that moment is to hit him in the mouth. It'll feel so good. Think about it. Think about it, man.
Speaker 1:If I said something or did a transgression towards you, that was, you know a little below the belt. It would feel good for you to ball your fist and hit me in my mouth. Of course, yeah, it'll feel real good Gratification, that's the pleasure. Yeah, let's think about the consequences. For one assault charge, I might press charges. You might kill me with one hit. Three I might get on your ass. It might not go as you think it's going to go when you put your hands on me. Four I can have a gun. You put your hands on me. What if I had a gun in the cuff and shot you? People don't think. People don't think, people don't think. And this, this way of operating, has allowed me to sustain in the free world but also allowed me to survive in prison. You know what I'm saying. Because one false step, man, it can be over. You can change the whole trajectory of your sentence.
Speaker 1:I know guys listen, I know guys that went in with five years in prison. Bro Killed a man over something so minute. I know dudes that killed a dude over a noodle square. Bro, because a dude owed him some suits, killed a man, that man got a life sentence over some suits, bro. Yeah, bro, I understand, it's the principal. He OG'd you, he lied to you. He deceived you but you the principal, he OG bugs you. He lied to you, he deceives you, but you threw your life away over some pack of news that cost 25 cent. Right, how you think that man feel if he could take it all back right now, if he can't go in that scenario and just calm his emotions down and just think for one second, calculate it, you think he would have kept that man again.
Speaker 2:No, definitely not.
Speaker 1:So you see the importance. That's why, man, eq is far I'm an advocate of this shit far more important than IQ, brother, iq ain't nothing but knowledge and information. We ain't information. You can get information anywhere, Anybody can seem smart. But EQ is more of the application of what you know. Yeah, how do you respond? You're gonna say, yeah, we all got. Yeah, you got some money, he got some money. But how are we spending this money? You spending your money to get you all right, using it as a tool.
Speaker 1:This guy spend his money from a pleasure standpoint, just spinning, spinning, spinning aimlessly, like it just wrong trees, hmm, and then next thing, you know, in a couple months to a year, he actually you for a couple dollars. He was like, but you just had a role he on a couple months ago, you know, saying that this is just what. This is why emotional intelligence so paramount on all aspects of life. This is what I get to the people. I'm very passionate about it because if we have our emotional intelligence, our EQ and check bro, we have a foundation and we'll perform better in every single aspect in life. There's no limitations. You know what I'm saying? And yeah, man, so that's just what it is man, but it's going to be crazy what I'm about to say.
Speaker 1:But I tell everybody this man, prison was such a blessing in disguise. I am so elated that I went to prison, bro. I saved my life. Now I'm not happy what I went to prison for, but I'm so happy that I went to prison, bro, because being sequestered from society, having minimum to to, no distractions, being able to find self, the knowledge of self, my potential, the history of me being a man of African descent, born and raised in this country, from learning what my ancestors, our ancestors, the sacrifices they made for us to have the freedoms today, bro, prior to going to prison, I didn't know why. None of that. I didn't love self. How do I love myself? How do I love myself? How do I love myself? I put myself in this predicament.
Speaker 1:People say, oh, I love myself all the time. But how you love yourself? Look at the choices you're making, how you love your body, feed yourself with all that poison that, in a couple months, got you with a beer. Belly Titties hanging. Belly Titties hanging. Come on, man, you a man. That's unacceptable.
Speaker 1:Prison helped me cultivate self-love and from this day, I would never, ever put my life, my body in a compromising situation of servitude. I would never put my life in a situation to where it's not valued and respected. Prison gave me that opportunity, man, and I'm forever grateful, forever grateful. I owe DOC when I said I gave him up my time. Oh, do I give you that 13-year old thing? I owe you that. No more man.
Speaker 1:But, yeah, man, prison was a blessing man and with anything in life, man, nothing is negative if you approach it in a certain manner. Yeah, people say like emotions. People say emotions a negative emotion, a bad emotion, positive, negative emotion. Right, like anger. People say oh, angry, anger, hatred is a negative emotion. No, it's not Fear. No, it's not Because fear can either save your fear can hinder you or save your life.
Speaker 1:Let me give you an example. All right, so if I had the fear to invest in myself and to take that leap, I will never change my situation. I'll forever work for somebody. Be mediocre won't have the limitless opportunities that I currently have If I had that fear to pursue. Right.
Speaker 1:But let's say I'm walking down the street and I see some knuckleheads on my pursuit to where I need to go to. But I have an opportunity to go a different route and I still reach my destination. But if I don't have no fear, I say, hey, man, fine, I don't care because they there, I'm going to walk through and these people look like they up to no good. They look like they're on brink to try you. I'm a man. I'm a man, look at me, I'm a man. I'm a man, I'm going to go right passing and they whoop your ass, take your jury, potentially kill you. Then what? But if you had a stimulus of fear, that would have protected you, that would have prohibited you and allowed you to circumvent that route and take the other route to the same destination. That's what I'm saying Hatred.
Speaker 1:Why do people hate on other people's success? Why do that? Instead, channel that hatred to want more and to better yourself. Use that as motivation. Channel it. Look at yourself in the mirror and say you know what I don't like where I'm at in life. I hate the situation and the circumstance that I'm currently in. I see what this person got. I want more. I'm at in life. I hate the situation, the circumstance that I'm currently in. I see what this person got. I want more. I'm envious of it. But I'm going to channel that envy to better my situation and advance my life and take your life to a new level.
Speaker 2:So you get what I'm saying about emotions, no negative or positive.
Speaker 1:It's all about how you channel them, bro, and that's what I learned in prison, and I apply that shit today, and that's why I'm at the level I'm at today, because of the appropriate channeling of the emotions, and that is a big, major part of emotional intelligence. That's it, bro. That's it, bro. That's all we need. That's all I wanted to get. That's it, bro. I just wanted to get at it, bro.
Speaker 2:That's all I wanted to get at Listen again. You guys got to tap in with my guy. We're going to put the Instagram below. Let them know what the Instagram is.
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Speaker 2:Someone that used to be like me, where I didn't really have anyone that can hold me accountable, nor did I have a group that I felt comfortable about. You know what these are. This is my tribe. I can grow well, listen, we put that together podcast school. I'm teaching you guys monetization secrets, accountability, discipline, how you get better with content, and this is just a group that you want to grow with. Click the link below join. Let's go on. West watson, it's easy for me to make that 70k because I have a 15k offer. I got a 25k offer. So if I sell 125k, I got my money back. If I sell 15, if I got. If I sell uh, two fifteens or if I saw 115, I got my money back. If I saw two fifte or if I sell one 15, I got my money back If I sell two 15s. That's only, let's say you gave me a hundred leads. That's less than two percent. That closed, but I still was able to monetize. You know what I'm saying yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:So it's always taking the money and then putting it back into letting more people know who Okay, and when you say my offer like this is my offer working one-on-one with me. Yeah, that's your offer?
Speaker 1:Yeah, Getting your emotional intelligence, getting your EQ right by simultaneously getting your diet, your nutrition and your temper right as well.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm, and then who you feel like your target offers. I mean your target on.
Speaker 1:My avatar? Yeah, man, my avatar is like you said people getting out of prison, that's, trying to get acclimated back into society, people that need that extra umph of motivation but don't know how. Just need a little accountability and a precedent and that's really it.
Speaker 2:So that's what you do. So I never heard you speak, so I don't know how you tell your story, but I'm going to give you some cues Talk, spicy and emotionally compelling, Because that's what's going to make, Because ultimately, the podcast is the content. But the content is going to connect with people first. That's how they're going to find you, is that secondary content, which is the clips. So you have to create some moments that are clip-worthy. You know what I'm saying, Gotcha. So basically, you can be like yo, Brendan, you ain't never been to prison, bro. So what you you saying is cool and I understand it, but I'm here to really help the people that are getting out and they can't really get to the next. You know Like you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:Yeah, see, I need you to incite those questions too, though I will, so I can.
Speaker 2:But, that's what I want you to think about. Cause kind of back to what you said you acting- I Um uh, you acting.
Speaker 1:I need to get rid of this phone.
Speaker 2:Nah, nah, you can put it in if you want.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, um nah, that's powerful, bro, yeah. And also I want to put a little comic relief in it too, because there's certain aspects of prison that are funny, okay, comment relief in it too, because there's certain aspects of prison that are funny, okay, you know, being okay. So, like, my whole thing was in prison having a balance, being assertive, not too aggressive, but not too passive, because if you, if you're too aggressive, you put a target on your back, yeah, and somebody could potentially hurt you bad to get you out of it because you're a threat, you're a perpetual threat. And then, secondly, with the passive aspect, if you're too passive, you're too weak, they're going to test you.
Speaker 2:They're going to test you.
Speaker 1:And you're going to be a victim of a servitude. You're going to be watching somebody draw, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know what I'm saying. And that's one of the most emasculating thing. You know what I mean when a man not not now. Some people watch people's draws for a hustle, you paying them, you paying them handsomely to watch your draws. But I'm talking about when a man imposes his will on you and you gonna watch these draws, or else, bro, that's, that's pretty that's do it All.
Speaker 2:Right, cool, let's get it. Okay, look, so this is how we're gonna get you more exposure using the pod equals MC square strategy, right? Then we're gonna bring out the air fryer. Air fryer and then connect it to the toaster oven method, right? I think Now, until we do all this, we're going to get you a million views and millions of subscribers. I have no idea what you're talking about.
Speaker 2:I got you, let me go get something. What's this box about, bro? What is that? So we got your long-form podcast right here, right, this is long-form audio, okay now I'm getting my money's worth. We got a service to get more exposure, get more views and get more call to action, to get more sales. Let's go. This is what you need to do to get more of this. Now do you understand?
Speaker 1:I completely get the vibe now Before I don't know what you was talking about, but this, right here we're going to make a lot of money.