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Hagan Wong | The REAL Reason Why Americans Are Obese
RRsReeennnRREAHagan Wong | The REAL Reason Why Americans Are ObeseI connected with Hagan Wong, a mindset and physical transformation expert in Orlando and we went deep on health being the real wealth.
Why are people obese? Why isn't health a priority?
Hagan shares his journey and expertise on adopting a 1% mindset, focusing on how high-achieving entrepreneurs can integrate their professional ambitions with a disciplined approach to health and fitness. We explore the deeper motivations behind fitness goals, the significance of long-term consistency over extreme fitness challenges, and the cultural tendency to overcomplicate fitness.
Hagen challenges societal shifts against ambition and competition, advocating for a winning mentality that embraces personal growth and financial aspirations. You'll hear compelling anecdotes and practical advice, beliefs and actions that you can execute whether in business, personal branding, or fitness.
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When I talk about 1%, I want to be that one person that walks into a room and I'm built like a savage, I'm a physical unit, right, and that's what we do. We teach people that 1% mindset and we want to make sure like, okay, yeah, you're super successful in your business, you're a successful entrepreneur and you're making money, but none of that matters if that's at the expense of your health. The conversations I have with my clients a lot of times is just asking them like, hey, why are you doing this? What's the real reason that you're doing this fitness thing? And they'll say, oh yeah, I just want to lose 30, 40, 50 pounds. But it's not just about the weight loss, like it's beyond the weight loss. In the entrepreneurial culture, it's very interesting the way that they approach fitness. They make fitness way harder than it actually needs to be.
Speaker 2:Welcome to the Art of Pursuit podcast. We need to do six, seven, eight, even nine figure entrepreneurs, you know, founders, creators, people that are moving and shaking. Today we find ourselves in Orlando, Florida. I think I kind of like Florida.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you should move here, bro. I think I might move here.
Speaker 2:But we're in Orlando, florida, and with an amazing gentleman, I had the privilege to connect with him prior to and then we found out there's a couple of mutual friends that we got like three or four people right. So what they say about that right, the people that you're connected to, you're like a sum of right and and even though we just, you know, uh, learn about each other, now I would say, and you know, three or four people you're connected to are all good people exactly doing real stuff, so so it's more so like the company you keep.
Speaker 1:Yeah, for sure, but this individual.
Speaker 2:He helps people with their mindset. He helps people um get right in the world. If you are high achieving entrepreneur and you just have not found, um that other level right, what is that other level? It's on the inside, but it's also on the outside right and you're looking to achieve that. This is the gentleman that's going to help you take it to the next level, because he's already helped hundreds of people right? So, hagan Wong, welcome to the podcast man thank you, sir, thank you 100% man.
Speaker 2:So I gotta just start off with this. What is a one percent transformation?
Speaker 1:so I talk a lot about the one percent because I feel like nowadays society loves to celebrate the average. They love to be mediocre. So when I talk a lot about the 1%, because I feel like nowadays society loves to celebrate the average, they love to be mediocre. So when I talk about the 1%, it's more of like a mindset.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And if you just walk around in everyday life, like you go to the supermarket, you go to the airport and you just look at people. Yeah, yeah, I'm biased because I'm a fitness coach, right, this is what I do.
Speaker 2:But just, most people are just kind of just like soft and flabby, like I'm not saying you have to say. We say soft and flabby, are you talking about the way they approach things or how they actually carry themselves and how they look?
Speaker 1:both, right, they're literally soft and flabby on the outside physically, which is probably because they're soft and flabby on the inside mentally, right, and you just walk around and you look at these people and they're just like I'm just kind of mediocre, right.
Speaker 1:So when I talk about one percent, I want to be that one person that walks into a room and I'm built like a savage, like I'm a physical unit, right, and that's, that's what we do.
Speaker 1:We.
Speaker 1:We teach people that one percent mindset and we want to make sure like, okay, yeah, you're super successful in your business or your career, or you know, you're a successful entrepreneur and you're making money, but none of that matters if that's at the expense of your health, and not just your health, but like your body and your aesthetics and how you look, because how you look definitely interacts with how you present yourself to the world and how you interact with other people, right?
Speaker 1:So you know, I come from a fitness background and instead of just kind of working with like just the general population which I do as well I've kind of just naturally started working with more like entrepreneurs and business owners, because I myself am an entrepreneur and business owner and they resonate with my message. I get a lot of hate at the same time, but people who resonate with my message are my most loyal clients and they resonate with everything that I'm talking about when it comes to the 1% and achieving achieving like like. You're winning at life and you're you can't be winning if you're not winning at your body first.
Speaker 2:That's what I think. Okay. So I got a couple of things. First, what is the 1%? Right? Let let? Let let's establish that a little bit. Right, because the reason why I feel like it's important most people need to know what the hell it is. What is that 1% when we're talking about you in life? Because maybe some people might be 1% right now but have no idea they could be earning a certain amount, they could be approaching life a certain way. You know they can have certain principles and morals and just the way that they kind of go about living, right? So how would you break down what 1% is?
Speaker 1:I would say honestly, if you're on any type of entrepreneurial pursuit, where you're, you know making more money than the average person is making in society. Oh, so in America, hold on, what is the average income? The average income like what? 30 grand a year, 40 grand a year, let's see in real.
Speaker 2:Let's see in real time. I'm checking in real time y'all, yeah, you know. So okay, united states. Let's see united states um average things like 30, 40 what's that we do like average salary?
Speaker 1:Average income.
Speaker 2:Yeah 59,000.
Speaker 1:59,384. I was wrong 59,384. Yeah.
Speaker 2:As of quarter four 2022.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So if you really wanted to put it into the statistics, I mean, the top, top 1% are like seven, eight figure entrepreneurs, right? So my whole philosophy is like, okay, you can get to that level right In your finances, in your business, in your career, but if you're sacrificing your health and your physique at the expense of that, then you're not really in the 1%. But that's just me personally. That's my philosophy, right? So what I do is I teach people okay, you can have all that, that's good, but what about your fitness? What about your physicality, what about your health?
Speaker 1:And the biggest thing is that fitness for entrepreneurs. So I go to a lot of networking events. I meet a lot of business owners, I meet a lot of other successful entrepreneurs because I'm trying to grow my own business as well and it's very interesting the way that they approach fitness, because in the entrepreneurial culture it's always like, okay, hard work, work, ethic, the hustle culture, grinding, which I'm all for, right, nothing wrong with that, right. But sometimes, actually most of the time, they make fitness way harder than it actually needs to be.
Speaker 2:So what do you mean by that?
Speaker 1:I'll explain. So when they do fitness, you'll see them do crazy stuff like these six-week challenges, like 75-day hard stuff like that. And, by the way, I made a video about this a couple weeks ago. I'm not shitting ony forsella or the 75 video about that. Yeah, I did make a video about that. Yeah, you can check that out. I'm not shitting on andy forsella. I'm not shitting on 75 day hard. I'm just shitting on these programs and these, these, these sprints that people do. They'll do like these six week challenges. They'll do like these, you know, 30 day fasts.
Speaker 1:And they're doing all these challenges because they want to prove to themselves that they're mentally tough but, the reason that they got into that challenge or wanted to do that in the first place was because they wanted to get in shape, they wanted to have that elite level physique. But somewhere throughout that journey they realized that it was too difficult to maintain that for the long term. So then they changed their goalposts. They're like you know, I can't do this, I'm just going to do this 75-day hard, because they think that if they do that, if they complete it, then they get bonus points and it's like they win at something. They prove to themselves that they overcame something.
Speaker 1:But fitness isn't something that you ever complete and it's not something that you can like just do one time. That's the fact. It's something that you have to maintain for the rest of your life, right? But unfortunately, you know, for marketing sake, like I, I can't, I can't market on camera. Be like, yeah, you're gonna get shredded in 90 days, you're gonna, you're gonna achieve an elite level physique in 16 weeks, like if you have 50 pounds lose, that's impossible. But I have, I have to say stuff like get shredded in 90 days, you know, get your six pack in six weeks.
Speaker 1:Because that's how I, that's how I get people through the door, that's how they're gonna resonate, yep, and then I can illuminate my mentality and and my my philosophy to hopefully I can get that desire out of you so that you want to do this for the long term and end up reaching your final destination, which, in the first place, was to get in that elite shape. Yeah, but a lot of people they're not. They struggle to admit that, to get that true desire out of them. Which is why one of my core values in my company step number one is is just being honest with yourself. Like tell yourself the truth, like look at yourself in the mirror and ask yourself, like hey, am I like really happy with how I look in the mirror with my shirt off? Most people like they're not willing to admit that, and if you can't admit that, then how are you going to do the right things to change?
Speaker 2:yeah, that's right right.
Speaker 1:So the biggest things, especially for successful entrepreneurs and business owners, because you know, their egos are really really high, which is which is great like I'm all for self-confidence and and being confident in what you do. But if you're not going to admit to yourself that hey, like I'm just mediocre in my physique, well then, how are you going to get to that next level? And then they, they, they say that they don't care. But deep down they do care. And you know how.
Speaker 1:I know that it's because they'll still try to cut out carbs, they'll still try to go to equinox, they'll still go to f45, they'll still do all these things. Like they'll go out and they'll order a salad. Like, why are you like so? If you could just admit that you actually want to change, well, well then, all of a sudden, the actions that you have to do, it just makes more sense. Like me, the way I coach my clients like we don't have to cut out carbs, we don't have to cut out alcohol, we don't have to do like burpees all day, we don't train five days a week, we don't do hours and hours of cardio. What I make my clients do are very, very simple.
Speaker 2:It sounds like magic, bro. You don't gotta work out. You don't gotta work out five, six times a week.
Speaker 1:You can still drink alcohol, I can still. I can still eat carbs, you can. What is this magic, bro? It's not even magic bro. It's funny because I'm telling you this right now and you know I'm assuming like you're not really in the fitness industry.
Speaker 2:But like I'm not in it. I mean I'm not, but I'm not in the industry right, right.
Speaker 1:So, like I say this stuff for me it's just normal, but every now and then I meet someone who's not in the fitness industry and I have to kind of explain. Like, the way I do fitness or the way I do it with my clients is three to four days a week of resistance training. We make sure we get our steps in throughout the day we hit our protein intake. We don't do hours and hours in cardio and then throughout the journey we reach our goal. We don't have to do like six days of training, hours and hours of cardio, doing a bunch of burpees, cutting out alcohol, cutting out carbs, not eating the foods that you want to eat, because if you do that, guess what happens? You fall off the wagon.
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Speaker 2:Okay, so if they're doing that three or four days, what do they do with the other days?
Speaker 1:Focus on your business. You've got other things to do, right.
Speaker 2:Are those cheat days? Are they cheating? No?
Speaker 1:of course not. Well, I'm not look, so I'm not saying like you, just eat pizza and donuts all day.
Speaker 2:That's not what I'm saying so you're saying you're established, they get established on a, on a, let's say a system or program yeah right their mindset, they're getting that, so they know what to do, how to follow it, and they're pivoting and switching yeah adding to what they've already built. So when they have these off days they're not just running to just kill the diet or just mess up the work well, of course not, right.
Speaker 1:So we teach you how to eat within certain parameters so that, okay, you can, if you're going on that, on that airplane ride, you can still have that little bit of alcohol if you want to, right. But we look, we teach you how to incorporate it into your diet so that you're actually tracking it. Got you All right. So you're not completely going off the rails, right, and we focus on the minimum effective dose, all right. So what's the least amount of work that you need to do to see results? That's what we do, because here's the thing, right, like I mean you yourself, you were working the whole day today, right? You don't have time to spend two, three hours in the gym.
Speaker 2:No, no, I would normally probably do like well, what I normally do is like hour.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like an hour Exactly.
Speaker 2:Hour 30, depending on the workout, and that's totally fine.
Speaker 1:You got to get in and get out Like I'm like. Even though I'm a fitness coach I come from the fitness industry I don't want to be in the gym the whole day. You know what I mean. Maybe like I used to, but now not anymore. I just want to do what I need to do to stay in shape, and that's what most of my clients want. Either they have to travel, they have to answer a bunch of text messages throughout the day, they don't have time to be hours and hours in the gym, especially when you're running a business at the same time so we talked about the one percent a little bit.
Speaker 2:You just told me a little bit about your magic diet. You know that I gotta learn more about. Yeah, um. So when it comes to health, right, because you know entrepreneurship nine to five, it doesn't matter where you're in when it comes to this health people always chasing money, right, and they want to make more money. They want to do this.
Speaker 1:They want to do that. Nothing wrong with that, it's not wrong with that but I feel like a lot of people are.
Speaker 2:They're not taking health serious and not. They're not kind of like if I get the money they're not like, okay, let me get their help. Like that. Like these things for everyone are not the same. That's why I agree. The one person yes, one percent like mother effort. Yeah, to me is like money right, my right, right with God and and you're a good person, good human right. And I feel like it's super achievable Because it's not even necessarily like you got a clock, seven, eight, nine figures, you can literally be on.
Speaker 2:You can do like a quarter milli 350 and be good right, exactly so the reason why I'm asking you is this so I just came from a mastermind it's a crypto mastermind. So everybody in the room try and get a bag super. So everybody in the room trying to get a bag super, bag right, they're trying to learn how to trade and invest, but I would say probably quarter 30% in the room all the way in a big way in a big way like visually right.
Speaker 2:So why do you think people, they kind of like put that to the side. Come, people don't take that as serious. What do you think it is about our health, where we wait to the last minute, or you know, instead of going to the gym, we just get bigger clothes. You know, like what do you think? Is it a American thing? Because when I travel to different countries, like like I, I've been to France a few times, yeah, you know, like I've been to even Thailand, I've been to even Canada, yeah.
Speaker 2:They're just north, yeah, but I feel like America is just a little bit more, you know, obese, a little bit more overweight. What do you think?
Speaker 1:It's funny you bring that up because I'm actually originally from Hong Kong, so you so, when I was growing up, obesity is not a common occurrence in society and when I first came to the United States in 2016 Rob.
Speaker 2:Markman. Oh, you just got here Rob Markman. Yeah, so was it that recent Rob Markman? Welcome, welcome, man Rob Markman. Thank you.
Speaker 1:But yeah, when I first got here I was like damn, there's a lot of overweight people, rob Markman, so you noticed it like off the bat. Oh yeah, for sure. And you know what was the most interesting observation I had was actually one day I went to Home Depot cause I wanted to get some supplies and I was like going to check out and then there was like snacks and food and drinks in the checkout aisle. I'm like wait, I thought this was a Home Depot.
Speaker 2:Like where I'm'm from, if we like our version of home depot, we don't have like food in the store, you know what I never thought about.
Speaker 1:That right right, yeah, impulse buys, right. So it's like they. The food environment, like food is so accessible in the us. Everywhere you go, there's a vending machine, there's a snack here, there's somewhere that you can buy some type of high calorie food. So I think that's a contributor to like why Americans are so overweight.
Speaker 1:But to address your other question, like why is it that when you start making so much money or start getting so successful that you start putting fitness on the back burner? I mean, it really is just a mindset thing. So a little bit about myself and the reason why I talk so much about mindset on my videos, on my Instagram, on my social media, more than I talk about the specifics, about training and nutrition. Because I truly believe and this is something that I'm really passionate about I truly believe that your mindset, as cliche as that sounds, is more important than the specific technicalities of the training and nutrition, because fitness is free on the internet. You can Google how to lose weight, how to get a six pack, how to build muscle and you'll get millions of results. But then why are people still overweight? So it's because of the mindset. And to tell you a little bit about my story.
Speaker 1:Back in 2017, I was actually a competitive athlete and I suffered an injury and I did really well. I was like first place in my competition. But then I suffered an injury and I just kind of completely stopped training and at the same time, because I did really well in that competition, I started getting a lot of social media fame. My business started taking off, started getting more opportunities, and in my mind I was like, yeah, you know what? Like I've already finished this competition. I already made a name for myself Like all these business opportunities are coming, started making more money. Why? Why am I like training this hard? I'm just going to relax a little bit, all right.
Speaker 1:And then I use my injury as like an excuse to like not go to the gym. Like I could have. It wasn't that serious, I could have went back to the gym and rehabbed it. I knew everything that I was supposed to do, like fitness and exercise science that's my thing, right but I couldn't get myself to do it because I was just kind of like you know what? My business is taking off, my training I mean, I've been there, done that. I might as well just focus on this thing. And I started making more money and then I started just completely putting fitness on the back burner and the biggest thing was, throughout that journey, it was really, really hard for me to get myself to admit that I put fitness on the back burner. Oh wow.
Speaker 1:So, that was the biggest thing, right. So being honest with yourself, yeah, exactly. Which is why that's core value number one with biggest thing, right. So being honest with yourself, yeah, exactly which is why that's core value number one with my company, right. Because I wasn't honest with myself, right, I would wear bigger shirts. I didn't want to go outside as much because I was like, yeah, I don't want to. I was a little bit embarrassed inside but I would just kind of cover it up and I wasn't just being 100 hundred percent honest with myself. And at the same time, you know, I had a newborn daughter and my wife, and it wasn't until it wasn't until one day my wife came up to me and she was like, damn, hagen, like what happened to? You used to be this super jacked and strong.
Speaker 2:You're not the guy. You're not the guy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah exactly, exactly and and back then I was like who do you think you're talking to? I was like I was a little bit offended at first, but then I looked at myself in the mirror, took my shirt off and I was like, damn, like she's right. Yeah, I had to humble myself a little bit and from that point on I was like, okay, I gotta get my shit together, I gotta do something about this. But for a lot of people like thank god, I didn't have a something about this. But for a lot of people like thank God, I didn't have a super traumatic experience, right. But for a lot of people it takes a traumatic experience for them to make that switch in their mind, like their wife divorced them or something. They lose a significant other or a health scare or something.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's a fact.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it's not until then. They want to take their fitness seriously.
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Speaker 2:I don't even know why like at six, with this type of cognition. But I was like grandma overweight, aunt overweight.
Speaker 3:And they weren't like overweight.
Speaker 2:They were round.
Speaker 3:You know what I'm saying? They weren't in shape, Sure yeah.
Speaker 2:I was like aunt, grandma, great-grandma, uncle. Yeah, I was like I ain't going to be like that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I just knew it.
Speaker 2:And from then I, it just went in my brain it's not like I was working out when I was six or seven it was just like implanted in my brain. Yeah, and because of that my whole life is like like I'm not gonna be fat. Yeah, gotta work out. Yep, eat right, you know what I mean like even if I feel like I ate too many donuts, let's say I ate a donut yeah and I feel like I ate too many donuts. Number water the next day.
Speaker 3:No donuts for a month wow, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2:Like, like I said, yeah, I self-audit myself and, uh, I'm not taking things away right, um, but you know, kind of like what you said earlier, like you know, I'm just more aware. Okay, cool, I'm gonna eat this, but it's like I ain't going crazy with it yeah but if I do go crazy, guess what?
Speaker 1:I'm in the gym going you're gonna punish yourself, yeah we can't, we can't do it right, you're gonna make up for it 100.
Speaker 2:So, uh, that that's really that. That's a big thing, the mindset, and I don't know. Obviously I've never been to hong kong, so I don't know what the, what the culture like there, right, but um, in america they went. They're not teaching like work out.
Speaker 3:They're not.
Speaker 2:There's no there's no like big push to be like okay, american citizens, like you know, we got a health day.
Speaker 1:You know there used to be a workout day. Yeah, back in the day used to be right, even in schools.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I remember we used to have a little something and that.
Speaker 1:That's another problem. I'm glad you brought that up, because I saw this one reel on instagram. It was like it was like during, like like school in the 1970s in america or no, I think 1950s or something, like during world war ii or something. And just see these high school kids like just climbing on monkey bars jack, like everybody's jacked. It's like what, what happened? Like why, why don't we have that anymore? You know, nowadays it's almost like in high school, it's it's not okay to to have pe. I saw another post about how like, oh, now like it's not about winning everybody, just, you know we're all, we're all doing this just for fun. Here's our participation trophy. I am totally against that, me too. It's like. I'm glad we agree because it's because competition is what breeds excellence, doesn't make better exactly that's how you get better exactly so.
Speaker 1:So why? Why are you taking that away? Because you're afraid of hurting other people's feelings?
Speaker 2:yeah, no life is gonna hurt your feelings every day.
Speaker 1:Exactly, exactly. You know what I mean. That's exactly my mindset and my philosophy is that I think recently, the past couple years, society is just cracking down on this winning mentality. What I want to do with my company and my message is to attack that and go against that, like, hey, no, it's okay to win, there's nothing wrong with winning, there's nothing wrong with wanting to make more money, there's nothing wrong with wanting to be in elite shape.
Speaker 1:But it's like, for example, I saw a post of this girl who had an insane body transformation and she posted on Instagram, had a very emotional story and everything. And in the captions captions like ridiculous comments. It's just like oh, you're fat phobic. Oh, it's not about the physique, why are you so self-obsessed? I'm like this lady just had an insane, like she changed her life. Can you at least like, give her some some recognition and applaud that? But no, you're, you want to, you want to drag her down because it makes you feel better about yourself right now and I think that's so. That's so toxic. Then the same with making money. Right, we're here in the, in the business world, right, what? What's wrong with making money? People? People call you greedy, people call you self-obsessed. I don't think there's anything wrong with that, it's not wrong with that.
Speaker 2:I don't think there's anything wrong with wanting to take hagen. We gotta take care of our families. You know how much things cost, yeah exactly.
Speaker 1:Things cost a lot.
Speaker 2:Ubers is a lot.
Speaker 1:Yep.
Speaker 2:And Lyfts is a lot. Yep. What I noticed is this I don't know if you noticed this either, but have you paid for anything in the last month or two? And it's like a little pop-up come up and it's like tip or it's like a little like Like if you move too fast, you're going to get an extra $5. Like these things are happening all over the place.
Speaker 2:So, people are just trying to like they're trying to get money from us from all over, so you have to make money, Like the air that we're breathing is in abundance. So that means money is in abundance, wealth is in abundance and we need that because you know inflation is rising.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Things are more expensive, you know, the average, uh, american ways, as we just found out, is just under 60 000, that's not climbing, no time soon, oh yeah, you can't buy a house technically single person making 60 000 you can't, yeah, it's not nowadays, unless you're gonna live like in the middle america yeah, or you're gonna be like forever in debt.
Speaker 1:Yeah right, I was just talking to this about one of my buddies and we were talking about how, like nowadays I mean, making six figures is like the bare minimum if you actually want to live like a good quality of life and like not be in like significant debt no effect so it's like you you either like, like, go with that, or you just become like everybody else, and that's a decision that you have to make.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so that's another thing that I'm really passionate about is making money. Even though I'm a fitness coach, I am running my own business, but I'm not afraid to admit that I want to run my business. I want to scale my business and be very, very successful. It's funny, I can actually tell you a story about that. I'm not afraid to admit that I want to make money and I want to be successful. But it's Nowadays in society, if you talk about that kind of stuff, people call you greedy, people call you hey, you're being narcissistic. It's vanity to want that right.
Speaker 1:I met another person at another networking event and, mind you, this dude's super successful. Like money's not an issue, he's running a seven-figure business and he rented a car when he was local and he made a social media post. And he rented a car when he was like local and he made a social media post and he was like, yeah, I wanted to rent this car and we just got the cheapest car, because I don't tie my identity to the car, it's not about the flashy car like other business owners, entrepreneurs, are gonna come in with their rolls royce, bentley, whatever. For me, it's not about that and in my mind I was like, okay, like I understand your point, like I know where you're coming from, but at the same time, I'm like the fact that you had to go out of your way on social media to post about that it shows that, like there's a little bit of conflict in your mind, as in like, like you could have just rented that car and not said anything about it, but you had to. You had to prove to society because you want to be validated and you want people to look at you and be like, oh, you're so much better, you're so much more virtuous than everybody else, because you didn't want to get that nicer car, but like, like, what's wrong with that? Like I, I, I'm not afraid to admit that I want a nicer car. Yeah, I'm not afraid to admit that I want a nicer car. I'm not afraid to admit that I want to be that, get to that next level.
Speaker 1:And I think a lot of people wrestle with that, not only in their finances and I know we're talking about cars, but this is analogous to fitness as well Like people are just afraid to admit that, hey, I want to be in that elite level physique, I want a six-pack, I want to be jacked, I want to have big muscles. But people, people struggle with that conflict in their mind. They're not congruent with their thoughts and their beliefs and which is why they're stuck in life. And one of my buddies, kyle. He's in the insurance industry and he recently bought a bmw brand new 2024 m340i. And prior to him buying the BMW, he had some shitty Honda HRV and I kept shitting on him like bro, dude, your car sucks. You're out here on social media.
Speaker 2:You need friends like this Dude for real.
Speaker 1:I'm telling you like, dude, you're out here on social media, you're marketing yourself as this person who's helping out rich people manage their money and their finances and and life insurance, and you're rocking around this shitty-ass car Like, okay, yeah, it's not everything about the car, but it's going to help your marketing, it's going to help your persona, it's going to help your brand, you can afford it. But he kept telling me oh no, my identity isn't tied around the car, I can delay my gratification.
Speaker 2:But his customer's identity wrapped around the car.
Speaker 1:Right, everybody judges the book by its cover. You can't deny that right. And then let me tell you this I finally convinced him to get a new car, that BMW, right. As soon as he got it, his entire identity changed. I was right. The entire time he was in love with the car. He was like oh my God, hagen, I love this BMW. You got to come try it out, dude, check out features, maxed out features. You see what I'm saying? His whole energy and frequency and things I had to get him to overcome that, that conflict in his mind, that incongruency. Then, once he overcame that, his identity changed, moving forward. Now that he upgraded his car to a BMW, that's his new standard. Yeah, of course, who knows what else he's going to get next? That's his new bottom Right, Exactly, exactly so.
Speaker 1:So a lot of people I mean segwaying this to fitness, because that's what I do, right. A lot of people, they'll say things like ah, I just want to be healthy, I just want to do this for my family, for my kids, which are all valid reasons to do fitness, right. But if you could just admit that, no, I'm not just doing this to be quote-unquote healthy, which is just a generic term. I'm doing this because I want to walk around in that 1% shape. I want to be absolutely shredded and jacked so that when I walk into a room people respect me and they can see and look at me. Damn, I respect that guy because I know that he put a lot of hard work and sacrifice to achieve that physique.
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Speaker 2:So we got a couple questions for you, right? Obviously, I go to the gym. You know, every day, every day, different gyms, yeah, yeah, different cities. Sometimes I want to travel and I noticed that you know just people in the gym they're wearing less and less clothes. Men and women, they're wearing less and less clothes. Yeah, how do you feel about that? Just in terms of just like, and they could be going hard in the gym. I'm not saying they're not going hard in the gym, in the gym.
Speaker 2:I'm not saying they're not going hard in the gym, yeah, but you think that, like just being someone who's in the industry, yeah, that actually trains. Yeah, what, what? What is your opinion on on on the? On the current, like with like females.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean honestly like, yeah, some of the things I see women wearing the gym are like way too revealing, but at the end of the day, it's like you do, you, I don't really care. Yeah, you know, I saw a funny reel of how these women fitness influencers are filming themselves and they think that everybody's looking at them. Nobody's looking at them. I mean, I'll tell you this man, me personally I don't really go to commercial gyms anymore. I train in a really particular way for my sport, so I go to one of those hardcore gyms, so I don't really see any of that. But every now and then, yeah, I'll go to a commercial gym and I'll see exactly what you're talking about. I mean, the girls are almost naked and I don't think that's right, because if you don't want the attention, then why are you dressed like that? You know what I mean, that's what I'll say with that. For then, why are you dressed like that? You know what I mean, that's what I'll say with that For guys?
Speaker 2:I mean, I don't really notice guys wearing less and less In LA, bro, it's crazy.
Speaker 1:Really. Yeah, maybe it's the LA thing. Yeah, I don't really go that part of town. It's kind of crazy in the gym.
Speaker 2:Yeah, what about, okay, women in the gym. What about how men approach women in the gym? I mean, you go to different gyms but ever in commercial gyms you ever notice how men and women interact in those settings?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'll see it, but when I'm in the gym I'm like you locked in. I'm headphones in, I don't talk to anybody. I don't care. If you want to use this equipment, head nod, I got it. I'm not going to take off my earphones because I have no time to waste. As soon as I'm done here, I'm back on my grind working on my business. So like, yeah what about?
Speaker 2:um? Uh, fitness influences right. So yeah, uh, are you familiar with um? Uh, like broly games, you familiar, you know broly games is um. What about? What's the guy's name? Kenny Coe.
Speaker 1:Not familiar.
Speaker 2:So Broly he's in Brooklyn.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:He vegan, but his thing's calisthenics.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 3:So he goes crazy with calisthenics Kenny.
Speaker 2:He's a fitness influencer. He did a couple of competitions, but this whole thing is basically just like gym culture. So he has like real conversations, so like if people were doing like you know whether they're natty or not natty, you know what I mean if they may need like physical modifications, it's like cause. I think one of the things that he's contributing to that I think I appreciate is that there's not a lot of conversations in gym culture.
Speaker 2:Like I'll go to the gym and I'll talk to people about what's going on. Maybe I might see the same person all the time, so you have that type of camaraderie. But we're not really talking about like what are you doing? Like what are you eating, like, what's your mindset, like you know what has helped you stay consistent. There's no real conversations, I think. So I really like how that happened.
Speaker 2:But, as a trainer, are you having these real conversations with your clients and I guess like figuring out what they got going on in their life? Yeah, for sure To remove some blocks so that that helps them perform better in the gym and get them to other levels yeah, absolutely, it's like I said earlier.
Speaker 1:Right, I talk way more about mindset and and belief and getting that internal desire out of you instead of the specifics of the training and nutrition. That stuff is easy. That stuff is easy. You can, you can google that stuff on youtube. You can spend a whole day doing research and you'll know exactly what to do, right.
Speaker 1:But but most people, they don't want to spend all that time, which is why they spend money to hire a coach and then we expedite that process, right? But yeah, the conversations I have with my clients a lot of times is just asking them like, like, hey, like, why are you doing this? What's, what's the real reason that you're doing this fitness thing? Yeah, right, and they'll say, oh, yeah, I just, you know, want to lose 30, 40, 50 pounds, but it's, it's, it's not just about the weight loss, like, it's, it's beyond the weight loss, right, but but people say that because that that's what they think that they want, because they're overweight. But, yeah, once you lose the weight, then what happens? Right, you're still, you're still mediocre. Yeah, you're still soft and flabby. Right, you don't have that muscle definition that you want. So your, your real fitness journey, quote-unquote starts like if you're overweight.
Speaker 1:After you lose that weight and then after you lose all that body fat, we get to see what you're really made of. We get to see, like, okay, because sometimes I'll get these people who used to be like athletes back in the day. I train a lot of older people. They used to be like athletes back in the day. They shred all that fat off and, okay, they got some muscle definition in there. But some people've like never done anything remotely physically active in their life and you shred all that fat off and then, like, they're just soft and just mediocre. And then I tell them like, like hey, like good job, you lost the weight. Like I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but I don't. I don't celebrate that as much as what other fitness coaches. What other fitness coaches say because that's why I think I get a lot of hate in the fitness community is because, like, like, other fitness coaches will be like, oh, congratulations, you lost 20 pounds, you lost 30 pounds, all right, so what you like?
Speaker 2:you look, you look the same. You lost the weight, yeah, yeah yeah, good job.
Speaker 1:Okay, now we gotta build your physique up. It's time to do work, yeah, yeah. So now that your journey starts I don't give a shit about just weight loss Like I'll applaud you for it. Good job. You're very disciplined and you followed what I told you to do. But what's the next step? Okay, the next step is to build that elite level physique.
Speaker 2:I think everybody needs a Hagan, bro. You know what I'm saying. You hold people accountable, exactly 100%. Yeah, what about food, bro?
Speaker 1:Yep, I'm vegan.
Speaker 2:I hear a lot of shit oh you're vegan. I'm vegan. I hear a lot of shit for being vegan, you know. So what about being vegan? What about people that just you know these carnivore diets? What about you know what I mean? Like, what's your opinion on this food? Man and I did my blood.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So the interesting thing about this is I went vegan because I had some really bad eggs one time. This is back in la 2020, okay, and I was already awesome, like I've always been all I always want to evolve my diet, but I wasn't like aggressive with it, I just kind of let things come. So I had this meal that would always I would normally get, but it just didn't serve me right, that's it no more chicken, no more dairy.
Speaker 3:I just want to be really four years really, so it was like an emotional thing, wow.
Speaker 2:but I didn't do it based off of like blood, dna, nothing. I just did it based off of feelings. So recently I went and got my full blood panel Because I'm like you know what, I'm going to see what's going on with the blood and if my blood says that I should have some of this and some of that. I'm going to change my diet. I'm willing to.
Speaker 3:You know what?
Speaker 2:I mean, yeah, they're like yo, you're good. Like they're like you know you can increase your, you know, your iron intake a little bit, but they was like. Aside from that, they was like yo, you're good.
Speaker 1:So I was like damn.
Speaker 2:I guess I'm going to just stay vegan. So what's your take on? And I know probably everybody's body is different, and you?
Speaker 1:know Right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, but what's your take on like carnivore, hardcore carniv, more diets and then vegan diets yeah, I mean, I'll be 100 honest with you, man.
Speaker 1:I'm not, um, a fan of, like vegan diets or plant-based diets, but at the same time, I understand that it works for some people. You know, like it's not. Like, at the end of the day, all you need, like what do people with plant-based diets I'm not a proponent of? I have a couple clients that are plant-based but like that's a very, very small percentage. I'm a huge fan of red. I have a couple of clients that are plant-based but like that's a very, very small percentage. I'm a huge fan of red meat and everything.
Speaker 1:But at the end of the day, like, what do you need to supplement? Okay, like you said, the iron, the vitamin B12s and stuff like that. As long as you check the boxes, I mean you're good, but then it's like your lifestyle, like are you going to supplement all these things? And like what if you're out and about and there's not like a vegan store or something? Just, you know it's like it's not, like it's? It's not impossible, but it's just it's more of an uphill battle. Yeah, so if you're disciplined enough and it works for you, go for it, right. But as for the, as far as these other diets. I'm, I'm not, I'm not a fan of fad diets.
Speaker 2:You know what, you know what fad diets are right, like yeah, all meats fad diet yeah, like you, it's like people do these things they're waiting for the new, the latest and the greatest.
Speaker 1:Yeah what was that?
Speaker 1:I feel like people when it comes to diet they're waiting for that latest and yeah yeah, yeah, it's the same thing with what I was talking about with the 75 day hard and the six week challenges. It's like, oh, this is the new thing that will get me. It's not like, because what's going to happen is, you're going to do it and it's super restrictive to some extent, you might see some results, you might not, but then after that, what are you going to do? Are you like, if you're not going to do that for the rest of your life, what's the point of doing this? Because fitness is a lifelong thing. It's not something that you just complete for one time and then, oh, good job. Like no, it takes way longer than that no, that's the fact, right?
Speaker 1:so, yeah, I'm not a fan of these weird different diets. I'm a fan of of just teaching you like okay, what are you currently eating right now? We'll optimize that. And then, how can we make this sustainable for the long term? Right, because it doesn't take 16 weeks. It takes like years to get in that elite level shape yeah, all right.
Speaker 2:So before we wrap up, man and and I want you to let them know how they can work with you, but before we even talk about that if someone's broke, they don't have the money to invest to work with you let's just say yeah, let's say they're confined by their travel. Like they don't, let's say they don't got a car whatever they just got their environment.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Right. So they don't got no money, they just have their immediate environment. What could they do if they want to get serious about changing their physique? Is there anything they can do with no money and just where they're at right?
Speaker 1:now go on youtube. Fitness is free on the internet, right. So what? What I do is? I mean, I don't work with anybody who, who, um, doesn't make more than 120 K a year. That's like a. There's like a financial requirement to join the program. But if you can't, then just go on YouTube. Fitness is free, right. There's no reason why you can't Google stuff and do it on your own.
Speaker 2:I like that. Yo listen, you got to make six figures to work.
Speaker 1:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2:So, uh, if you know any six figurefigure entrepreneurs share this podcast.
Speaker 1:That's right the people I work with. They have no time to waste, they just want to pay it. And they're they. They meet the financial requirement and they're ready to start immediately because they're so sick of being stuck where they are right now, trying all these different diets, trying all these different programs and challenges, and you still look in the mirror and you still look mediocre and you're not proud of who you are. So that's the people that I'm talking to. They're ready to move forward and they have the funds to invest and they don't have any time to waste.
Speaker 2:This has been dope bro, Absolutely. Let people know where they can go to work with you If they're making at least $125,. They get their mind right, their body right and just change and become a one percent for sure.
Speaker 1:Where?
Speaker 1:they where they need to go I'm most active on instagram, so my instagram tag is hagen, underscore sl. So that'll be h-a-g-e-n underscore sl. You shoot me a dm. Either me or one of my team members will respond to you and then we can jump on a call, consultation call, and I'm also on YouTube. Just look at my name, hagen Wong. You'll find videos of me training in the past in my competitions and stuff like that. I'm also starting to do like a weekly podcast series where I just talk about stuff. Yeah, exactly, but yeah, I'm mostly on Instagram.
Speaker 2:So if you guys need help with anything or you guys interested in getting started, just shoot me a DM there. So listen, we'll make sure. Hagen's links is below for Instagram and YouTube. Do you have any free resources, books or anything for them to get?
Speaker 1:Yep, If you go ahead and click the link in my bio on Instagram, there's a free training right there for you.
Speaker 2:Yeah we'll put it below to make it easy. Make sure y'all stay on the platform, get all this information. Um so listen, it's been another episode of the honorable suit podcast. That's hagan wong, and he wants to make you a one percent like the best in your life, so make sure you tap in and share this podcast out with a couple people, especially if you know there's some people that you want to have an impression on and have their lives changed. Thanks a lot for checking it out, peace.