When faced with the formidable challenge of making a name in the male-dominated world of construction and digital marketing, Eva didn't just rise to the occasion; she transformed it into a conduit for her entrepreneurial spirit. Join us as she unfurls her story, a tapestry woven with threads of grit, innovation, and the art of relationship building. From the dusty streets of Arizona's small businesses to the vibrant pulse of California's market, Eva's journey is a masterclass in perseverance and strategic prowess. This episode isn't just about breaking glass ceilings; it's a narrative that maps the trajectory of a woman's relentless pursuit of success against all odds.
The path from real estate agent to celebrated entrepreneur is not for the faint-hearted, yet Eva's footsteps echo with an authenticity that's bound to resonate with anyone who's ever dared to dream big. This conversation goes beyond the mechanics of transactions and licensing woes; it delves into the alchemy of turning rejection into resilience and the importance of balancing our inherent masculine and feminine energies. Whether discussing the tender struggles of adoption and family dynamics or the resilience needed to traverse the unpredictable terrains of grief and loss, Eva's insights offer a beacon of hope and understanding that can only come from one who has walked through life's fiercest storms.
Eva's narrative culminates in an empowering discourse on the energetic nature of money, the dance of masculine and feminine energies, and the equilibrium necessary to navigate both life and business. She shares how understanding and embracing these dynamics can unlock doors to abundance, efficiency, and harmonious interactions. Listeners are given a window into the transformative influence of a positive mindset and strategic business development, as Eva extends an invitation to join her in redefining the road to professional fulfilment. If you're poised on the precipice of change, seeking the courage to leap, Eva's story is the wind beneath your wings—a testament to the alchemy of ambition and the resilience of the human spirit.
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When faced with the formidable challenge of making a name in the male-dominated world of construction and digital marketing, Eva didn't just rise to the occasion; she transformed it into a conduit for her entrepreneurial spirit. Join us as she unfurls her story, a tapestry woven with threads of grit, innovation, and the art of relationship building. From the dusty streets of Arizona's small businesses to the vibrant pulse of California's market, Eva's journey is a masterclass in perseverance and strategic prowess. This episode isn't just about breaking glass ceilings; it's a narrative that maps the trajectory of a woman's relentless pursuit of success against all odds.
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Eva's narrative culminates in an empowering discourse on the energetic nature of money, the dance of masculine and feminine energies, and the equilibrium necessary to navigate both life and business. She shares how understanding and embracing these dynamics can unlock doors to abundance, efficiency, and harmonious interactions. Listeners are given a window into the transformative influence of a positive mindset and strategic business development, as Eva extends an invitation to join her in redefining the road to professional fulfilment. If you're poised on the precipice of change, seeking the courage to leap, Eva's story is the wind beneath your wings—a testament to the alchemy of ambition and the resilience of the human spirit.
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Welcome to the On the Pursuit podcast, where we connect with entrepreneurs, movers, shakers and business owners who build amazing things on the pursuit of their goals and dreams. And I'm your host, Brendan Boyd. What's up y'all? Welcome to another episode of the On the Pursuit podcast, back in San Diego. It's the evening Literally just got off the road but I had to pull up because this person is somebody that I definitely wanted to interview and get on the podcast. Look, she's a project manager. She's in the construction space. She's also in the digital marketing space. She got digital products.
Speaker 2:Lots of them.
Speaker 1:She's teaching, teaching, teaching women and just people in general how to like separate time for money.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:But then also how to get into a space and where there's a small percentage of women in the space and still accelerate. Lead lead team. I'm excited to have you. What's up, eva?
Speaker 2:I'm excited to have you here doing this, for I feel like you did a lot today, thanks to make this happen.
Speaker 1:Yo, I ain't gonna lie, so look, listen y'all. I was already in San Diego. Okay, I was already in San Diego, it would have been perfect. I know it would have been perfect. We would have got this done earlier. Yes, I made a commitment right. That commitment was I had told someone two weeks prior that we were going to do an interview Honestly, it was more like content. So we did a mukbang with tacos plant-based tacos and so, anyway, because of a minimal word right, I drove back from San Diego to LA.
Speaker 2:I honor that.
Speaker 1:Right, we got it done. Then I had a charge because I got the Tesla and then I drove back from LA to San Diego Right, and now I'm here and you set up everything.
Speaker 2:It is the energy that you're running on is not human.
Speaker 1:Really. I literally gave him a scapegoat.
Speaker 2:I was like, hey, if you're tired, if there's traffic, no worries, we're going to reschedule. And you're like, no, I'm good, god level. It's a perfect way to stay. It's God level.
Speaker 1:But this is the thing also you gave me an out, but you also did a took out. Like, oh, I mean, could you fly out tomorrow? So like, hey, I'll fly out tomorrow. We're getting late. Why don't we just reschedule? You know what I'm saying. But it was supposed to get done. I would say it like that. So why don't we just start off with, like what do you do first? So let's get into that. So your PM in the construction space. So how did you get in this space? What is the PM? Why do you consult in this space? How does he even come about?
Speaker 2:Okay, it's kind of a longer story, it's a good one though, okay, perfect.
Speaker 1:We got the time.
Speaker 2:How I became a PM. I mean, it's a progression stacked on little choices made over time. It's been a catalyst for this business. But before this I was in Arizona. I owned salon, skincare stores, rental cars, like just all sorts of little hodgepodge businesses that I was piecing together to make a great income, but I was still working 80 hours a week and that great income still equated to like $20 an hour, $30 an hour, you know, just hustling, busting my butt, and I wasn't really passionate about like making money and passionate about helping people.
Speaker 2:So when, after doing that for six years, I was like okay, there has to be something else, I moved from Arizona to San Diego, closed and sold my businesses and I took that money and started investing it into as a private money lender, into house flips. And that's why I got introduced to the construction industry and met and partnered with really great general contractors and started being the liaison between homeowners and contractors. Because what was happening is I was hitting the phones, calling people in San Diego to see if they want to sell their house so I could flip it, but no one wants to sell their house in California. They were like, no, I'm going to keep my house, but my roof is leaking. I need a new AC. Like I would just get to chatting with them on the phone?
Speaker 1:Were they more outward with this information, or we just continue to keep the conversation going and then things start to uncover?
Speaker 2:You know how things are done. Yeah, you have to like keep the conversation going. No one's like freely giving their information to you. But once you start talking to them and like connect with them on some level, even over the phone, it's really difficult. But once you get in and you're like, hey, well, I can help you with your roof, actually, like as you know, I'm calling you to buy your house Like obviously I work with a lot of contractors and I can come give you an estimate to see how much it'll cost to get effects. Okay, cool, why don't you come by? And then I go by, I would crawl up on the roof with my ladder. I would ask, like I would take the measurements and calculate how much. I knew it would be run it by the contractor. They would say, yeah, that's how much it will be, and then I would sell the job for the contractors. And that's how project management came to be.
Speaker 1:Five years, seven years now, later, and I'm doing a bigger project, so I got a couple of questions. Number one is you shut everything down and need more to San Diego, so why do that? And then the other question I have is most people are timid when it comes to having conversation, talking to strangers, even when it comes to like selling stuff or having that. How do I ask for the sale?
Speaker 2:So why?
Speaker 1:did you move? How did you feel like you needed to offload and move and then, where did the energy come from? As far as? Like you know what, I'm gonna just go and ask these questions and be aggressive and just be forward.
Speaker 2:I love that second question too, because I think that's something that everyone needs to like, hear and know, like how do you get to the next step?
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But for your first question, I was already in the energy for like six months, I feel like at a minimum, maybe even a year of like not really liking where I was at in Arizona, like having the businesses and like just feeling like I was just turning my wheels. I was working so hard for money I was always having to hire new employees and turning like turning over so many people that I just like I just knew that wasn't for me anymore and it took a while for all the pieces to come together, but then I ended up in this relationship that was really, really great and like after maybe like two or three months we both moved to San Diego.
Speaker 2:It was kind of I always say so you all moved together? Yes, together and I always say, like the best thing he ever did to me. We're still friends and cordial. Of course I mean the best thing you ever did for me was move me to San Diego.
Speaker 1:Gotcha, keep pushing and get in my arms.
Speaker 2:Yeah yeah, my family was so mad. They're like no, you're not going to take her. No one wanted to leave.
Speaker 1:You're not going to take her.
Speaker 2:Yeah, everyone's like, no, her life is here. But I was like no, guys like there is a bigger and better life out there. I need to explore, I need to what I'm doing here. I just felt like I was in stagnant energy. Yeah, I was like I'm going to shift, go beyond my limits and that's what got me to San Diego. And when I was making that transition closing businesses and then moving here I was also studying for real estate because I thought I would be a real agent Like an agent yeah.
Speaker 1:I was an agent for like eight years.
Speaker 2:Dang. So you know what it takes to make the phone calls, make the relationship. When I took that test after I got the license, California tests are ridiculous, by the way.
Speaker 1:Well, not to test the process is ridiculous.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Like they just make it long for no reason.
Speaker 2:It's just, it's just, it's just it's just long for no reason.
Speaker 1:Like when I was in Massachusetts, I got my real estate license in three weeks. I did a deal that first month.
Speaker 2:That's way better.
Speaker 1:Here it's like you got to even 75 hours, wait 18 days, do another 75 hours, it's crazy. Wait, 18,. What's the point?
Speaker 2:And I didn't like really know all this point in but by the time I learned it it was too late, so I was like I'm just going to do it. But then once I got it, I like I didn't do anything with it.
Speaker 1:You didn't use it I didn't you know.
Speaker 2:it's education, like. I feel like at least I have it empowered me with stuff you probably didn't need to know, but I think it helped in construction on some level. But I wanted to be in construction, so did the real estate thing. Didn't sell a house. Are you still in that industry?
Speaker 1:No, not as a. I mean as an investor. We're not as an agent. Right, I would never be an agent Agents offer me.
Speaker 2:I don't want to show people like houses and have them. Tell me I don't like the paint. What do you?
Speaker 1:mean and it's like well, this is the thing and I'm not. It's not against being a realtor, right, because you can make good money being a realtor. Oh, the best that average realtor, however, only makes about 55,000. I mean, let's just keep it above and then when, when, then, when times get hard, like the recession, they don't really have any other skills. So they don't know how to help a client when you know um percentages are higher. They don't know how to help a client when you know housing inventory is small.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:They only know how to do, they only know how to do a transaction. So they know they don't know how to bring value. So I always thought as an agent, kind of like what, what, what you were just saying? Right, you paid attention. You're like, okay, I can, I can kind of bridge the gap. So if you're an agent, I feel like you should have relationships with woofers and other contractors, you should have a solar relationships, you should have, um, you know, uh, the water companies and stuff you know, with the, with how you can change change someone's entire water in their homes Like anything that's pertain to a house security systems.
Speaker 1:You should have that Cause. Like you close someone on a deal, you have someone. I sell a house. If you have everything else, they'll stay with you. But now you're going to, now you're going to sell life insurance. You're going to sell them. You're going to help them with the roof. You're going to help them with the security. You're going to help them with the landscaping. You're going to help them with the snow removal.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying. What the hell are you doing? Get to the back. Y'all are into solar. You want to start listening, man, I might have to go and watch you on the console for realtime Cause up there, or something. Y'all need a lot of money on the back right now. You know what I'm saying? A lot, it's a lot.
Speaker 2:I love that you're saying it, cause this is the best commercial for me, because that's the same thing that I'm preaching to any of my students and a lot of my students are Realtors and there's like the same thing that you're thinking is they want to expand their book of business. Thing is is like why wouldn't you if you have a business? Like everyone just wants life to be easy and the people the reason why people buy from a realtor or buy from anyone is because they like the person and they want to do business with them. So then like, if they like you so much, then be the point of contact for them on everything Like how can I help you?
Speaker 1:Now back, so yeah, so I kind of like no, that was perfect, both the conversation a little bit, but you find, you.
Speaker 2:You need to sign off rights to me so I can use it.
Speaker 1:That's fine. So you moved here, right? Yeah, you're around. The relationship that you were in got you here so you're in perfect environment but with the energy coming for you to like, ask these people like, hey, listen, you know, i'ma just call in these lighters.
Speaker 2:All right, that question. I'ma like doing sales.
Speaker 1:I'ma speak to strangers Like where does the company come?
Speaker 2:from? That's a great question. That energy came from when I first had my businesses. That energy came from in the very beginning of we talked about earlier me being like 16, figuring out on my own. 15, figuring out hustling, selling Jordans doing whatever.
Speaker 1:I can.
Speaker 2:You were selling some sleep things.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what was your favorite Jordans? Oh, what are you favorite Jordans? If you have some.
Speaker 2:I mean, of course I love the ones now or something that I'm more lean to, but back in the day I really loved the 11s and the 12s. I don't know, that was just my thing. I felt like not everyone liked the 12s. They're not as cute or aesthetic, but they're my jam. What about you?
Speaker 1:Mine was probably the 6s. I like the 6s and then the 10s.
Speaker 2:Okay, cool, you're also not the normal.
Speaker 1:I'm different bro. Yeah, you chose a different number.
Speaker 2:People are like the ones and the fours.
Speaker 1:Those are my favorite Jordans, but I don't even wear them, like my last pair of Check this out my last pair of Jordans. I sold them along with a pair of Kobe's. Nice they were in the closet Nice I was just collecting. I sold them to get the money at the time to pay for my real estate license and real estate school, and then the fees and everything.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's spoken like an entrepreneur, that's what happens.
Speaker 1:This is what you do.
Speaker 2:You make good money choices where you buy stuff that holds its value and when you need to pivot and put into another investment, you sell it, because we're attached to the results, not the material item.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I bought them. I'm like these are nice, I want to wear them, but I wasn't even going anywhere. You know what I'm saying. And then I was transitioning from being in the clothing.
Speaker 1:I was in the fast industry for almost 10 years, so I was transitioning out of that. I had asked God. I'm like I need to maintain, or I want to maintain, my lifestyle. At the time I'm like what else could I do? And I was always into real estate because of Monopoly, like my favorite game. But I never looked at real estate. But it just popped up in my email and I was like, okay, this is what you're showing me. So that's kind of how I got into it.
Speaker 2:That's fine. That's a good movement. You upgraded from shoes to houses.
Speaker 1:Well, no, you upgraded from shoe to houses.
Speaker 2:Yeah, why?
Speaker 1:I upgraded from t-shirts, hoodies and shorts and hats to houses yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh, that's so true. Yeah, that was just a little side thing you did. Yeah, well it's like buying art, you know. Like with people. You put art, shoes, even purses, hold value. You sell it later.
Speaker 1:I almost bought Super Random. I was in Dosegobana like Christmas Eve I went with my friend. I went with my friend, my friend, house friend, I worked there, so we just ended up just browsing. So she's like we have this Dosegobana bag that you can only buy if you're an A-Mex holder but you gotta have the platinum card to buy it. He's like there's only maybe there's only like 300 or something, and it was 7K, right, and it's a woman's bag straight up Like and it's like, it's like it's like super, like you know, like loud.
Speaker 1:When I say loud, I mean like like it shines you know what? I'm saying Like I got the jewels on there, stuff, so I got pictures of me with it. So I'm holding it up and I'm thinking I'm like shit, I'm buying this, you know, and just iced it Like you know what I'm saying. Well, I didn't, but I was super comfortable with it.
Speaker 2:It's like the Barbie like the modern day like Century and millennia. Barbie, this is girl talk.
Speaker 1:But you know you're gonna come on, you're gonna tell me this I'm looking at it, I'm like no, I'm just yeah, and the case, hold it for a few years, get that profit.
Speaker 2:I don't even like to buy things that I know won't hold value and turn a profit. Like cars, just anything.
Speaker 1:I'm like that yeah yeah, yeah, it's a good way to be so, all right. So you in SD, you're in this space and who are the type of people you're helping you know? Like like like you're doing restaurants, cause you told me off. You told me a second ago, right, you got a project in AZ right now.
Speaker 2:That's restaurants. Those commercial.
Speaker 1:So like what other, like who's the ideal client that you were working with?
Speaker 2:You asked such good questions but also I remembered I didn't answer your first question about like. What sparks the ability to be able to like call people, and that is from like, of course, having the businesses.
Speaker 2:but because I had that experience before with like going through a lot of rejection and in my previous business that was also sales for like five years of skincare sales, so I had employees that were taught to like sell custom like skincare regimens, and like in high amounts too, right From anywhere from like $1,000, $2,000, like an average transaction would be 200, but like these girls were able to like stop women and sell them this whole line of skincare products for like $1,000, they don't even know them. So it's really intense sales. A lot of rejection, though, is my point of that Like out of you know, to get one sale, they probably had to like ask and get rejected 20 times in order to pocket that, and for me it was the same thing. I had just had that like knowing that, if I go through the numbers as fast as possible, I'll get to the result.
Speaker 2:So, like for me at that moment in my life, because I had that four years of practice of just like getting rejection all day long, I was able to not care about hitting the phone and not get nervous Cause I understand people get nervous yeah, to like pick up the phone.
Speaker 1:Are you nervous right now?
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so like are you nervous when you meet strangers?
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:Are you A lot of people, are you? Don't either, right, I'm not.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I think it's practice, though it's like a muscle and my thing that I always tell people is it's like you and I like we're not special people, we just did the well. We probably are really special, but God says I'm special, but no people that like that. When you go through high amounts of like rejection and just like making it happen and going for the guess, I feel like you build that muscle over time.
Speaker 1:That's generally what happens to men all the time, though, cause men go through a lot of rejection on age For sure.
Speaker 2:Talk to women like you guys have that masculine energy, where you guys have to protect your providers Like you're meant to go and like, build and create and push forward through nose. Women aren't designed for rejection.
Speaker 1:They're different. Well, I was going to say that it's different, it's a lot different.
Speaker 2:No, yeah, now my energy is probably a little bit different. Back then I was like hitting the phones to attract clients, but after I put in that work, which is all masculine energy, just straight up work, result driven, I'm using my mind constantly. I learned the skills, developed, those which is masculine energy, and then now I've moved into more feminine energy, which is attracting the clients. So I don't like hit the phones, I literally just go and put out what I do, what I am, what you will receive, and then, like the right people come to me through. You know, I say God, I feel like God's all, which is sending me the right people. He sent me you, you know.
Speaker 1:Now we're here, let's go. We here, cameras is rolling, we on the pod. You all are getting it right now, you know, I mean that's a real good point. So a second note you mentioned especially so I feel like when we're born, we're at our like, purest form, in my opinion.
Speaker 2:Same.
Speaker 1:Right. But then you get indoctrinated and, like your parents, your friends, the environment, you know if distance guessing, energy in your household, whatever the case may be, you know, then your program to think, move, shake process a certain way. So I feel like as you get older it's like you have to learn how to go back to your pure assets, cause people figure, people just think that how they see the world is how they see the world, but it's not. It was like implanted in you, my opinion.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:You know what I'm saying? It's weird. It's like you have to unlearn just to go back to where you were.
Speaker 2:Factory reset settings. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, because that's how you come.
Speaker 1:You come with abundance you come with. Oh like when a kid attempts to walk, they're gonna fall, but a kid's not gonna be like whoa, I fell. I don't know if I'm, I don't know if the walking thing's for me, you know, but as adults we're like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:You know we're like I don't know. I mean I called, I don't wanna buy. I'm not making them walk off. But a kid's gonna fall, get up, fall, get up, fall. And you're gonna tell a kid, no, you can be like can we go now? Can we go now? Can we go now? Is now this time?
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:So it's like we have to get back to that, but as adults. So I think, yeah, we're special, but we're all special, but we just have to realize that that we're special.
Speaker 2:That we're tapped in. Yeah, that literally is. I always say like life is so simple, but those simple things are the hardest things to actually do. Like the amount of years that I think I've practiced just to get to a point where like yeah, we're all special, but then to actually believe like oh shoot, like I am special and not because I'm special, like no, like we're actually all special. Like we're all God, we're all the same. God energy like God's in all of, like every single one of us, and wants us to have our own unique mission. You know it's so different from everyone else's.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I love that you say that, cause I feel like you say like, oh, that's what I believe, but as you speak it, it just sounds like the most logical thing. Like who would?
Speaker 1:not believe that but you gotta be like is what I believe cause the environment that we're in now. I'm not trying to push how I take on anyone you know, this is my internal world.
Speaker 2:This is how I feel about it, y'all.
Speaker 1:This is how I actually feel about it right.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:You can tell how you want, because what you know, what happens now, instead of people like is black or white. Well, okay, look, I'm wearing a suit right now. Right, it's black and white. So what color is it?
Speaker 2:Black and white.
Speaker 1:And it's black and white to me. But someone can be like, no, it's this color, that's navy blue, it's this color, right. I don't care what you say, this is how I feel it is. And then what they'll do is they'll go get a whole group of other people that say it's this color. Now there's a movement, right, and now it's like black, white or oblique or whatever the female name.
Speaker 2:I have such a stick on this, by the way, because my thing is is, like you know, energy is so precious and I don't understand, like why there are so many positive things to focus on in the world and the things that we want to do and change and create, and like the things that people get fixed. They don't start groups on Like you made a joke right now, but I think people would start a Facebook group and want to talk about that.
Speaker 1:They're about to start a Discord. They're about to be on the X. You know what I'm saying? Write it all down, baby Like he is a liner.
Speaker 1:I'm not always talking about it. That's definitely not black. You know what I'm saying. But that's how it is. But that's the reason why, unfortunately, you have to, you know phrase it in a certain way, because people aren't taking accountability, because they're not taking accountability and they don't want to feel like they're wrong, they're going to just create their version of what it is, a delusional version again how I feel Right, and then it becomes. It now becomes that it's like the silliest things that we have to accept as oh, this is an option that shouldn't even be an option.
Speaker 2:I'm hoping that, as these conversations still continue to take place, like I know, more minds are going to change and they're slowly going to start opening up and just realizing that, like coming from an energy of wanting to be right is just always the wrong energy.
Speaker 2:You know, like there can be multiple truths that exist to like in one moment where like your truth is your truth and my truth is my truth, and they don't have to be the same, but like to be in a state of like ego, where your day and your, the moment that you're in in your life, that one hour, is dictated on how you feel by someone understanding if you're right or not. You know, I think when people lose the desire to be right, that's when they really step into like greatness, because, like then you just don't care anymore. You don't really care if people don't answer your phone call, if they don't agree with your opinion, because you're like hmm, that's okay, listen, I'm trying to.
Speaker 1:We can both be right. I'm trying to offload people right now.
Speaker 2:Me too, can I say it? I can't take it anymore.
Speaker 1:I'm trying to offload humans, Feel me Like, forget about colors and like perceptions. Yeah, I'm trying to get rid of whole humans right now.
Speaker 2:Me too. I'm like how hard can I work so I can help the most amount of people, but from a distant island with as much space as possible? Well, I was walking the airport today literally thinking that same thought. I was like what is this space with like the least amount of humans? I was like, wow, look at me, like just trying to be as like I mean just energetically. I don't want humans around me. It's a lot to take in people's like emotions. I'm an empath, so I feel everything.
Speaker 1:Would you feel it right now? Would you feel it?
Speaker 2:Good, Good calm confident, cool, chill. Yeah, you have a very um. This is why this is perfect for you, because you are, you have a very like podcaster energy. Like so when you make people comfortable in the environment, yeah, you have the personality you give people talking.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:That's a gift.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I've heard that before. Someone else told me that, as far as like being able to get people talking or just be able to convey, have you know, be conversational.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:And so the thing is, this is like the things that become easy for us we tend to overlook. You know and that goes for you You're watching and listening to this like whatever comes easy for you can be a product, it can be a service you can provide, it can be consulting, you know, it can be effort products, which kind of leads me to like you get into different products, because whatever you do naturally can become that for anyone, right? I feel like it's like if something comes naturally to you, you can create a product and help someone with that. If people always ask you for something, that's also a product or service that can be monetized. Or if you just like what's in the world right now, what do you see that can be improved? Or what's missing right Over with something that was improving transportation, right yeah, and look at it, it's thriving right now. So what made you start moving in that direction and start monetizing something of your gifts?
Speaker 2:I think the same thing that I'm sure all your listeners have also realized too is that everything is digital these days. Everything's moving online, and when I saw that happening, honestly, I came in like way past the wave. I feel like I avoided, like Facebook, instagram, tiktok, snapchat, all of those things and then I realized, eva, why are you resisting this? Like, literally, people are making more money in the digital world than in less time. I have data. I have data Seriously, though.
Speaker 1:Like internet money, Y'all better get to it.
Speaker 2:Internet money is the way. Like yeah, especially coming from me where, like I grew up in an age where it was like brick and mortar, like salon stores, like that was the way. But like, honestly, I feel like I could have not done that still and started my internet business six, seven years later and been in the same place of how quickly the internet moves. And when I saw this happen so it was right before COVID hit I was always happy at that time.
Speaker 2:I had my construction company. It's thriving, it's doing great. And then I had personal things happen in my life that took me off of working. And then COVID hit, which also took me off of working because construction obviously like no one's going to anyone's house at that time. So I'm like, having already been working for six months at this point and I'm like shit, like COVID just took my business out, like look at how something can just do that. And I'm always talking about having multiple streams of income, having other investments and thank God I did at the time. But that's when it really hit me where, like I need to move my business to online. And that's when I started making a construction handbook to teach homeowners how to manage their construction project you were saying handbook that was online and the link wasn't working.
Speaker 2:Probably you fixed that link, boy, probably not. Yeah, I fixed that link, bro. I need to hit up. I need to hit up Patty, my girl. Patty does all my coding on my website.
Speaker 1:Patty. You know, First to late, Patty, I always started to support. Guess what I can't. Is your revenue stuck? If your entrepreneur and your revenue is stuck, you don't need to fix your products or services. You need new audiences to discover you more consistently. Podcast guessing is the ideal way to be discovered 24 hours a day by your ideal clients. And guess what? The more people that know you, the more people can flow. You Head over to podcastmasterypackcom and take advantage of your first or next podcast. Let's go All right. So you were talking about digital products.
Speaker 1:Oh right and why people need multiple streams of income.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:But then why? During COVID there was a pivot and Patty got to fix the link right.
Speaker 2:She's going to fix the link, yeah.
Speaker 1:So talk to us about that. So you had well, you still have construction business.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:And consulting.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:But COVID popped off.
Speaker 2:Yes, covid, popped off.
Speaker 1:So what was it around that time that you realized that hey, there's another opportunity?
Speaker 2:that I can give to you yeah.
Speaker 1:Like when you figured this out. How'd you figure this out?
Speaker 2:Taking my memory back two years prior, I already knew that was the way and I think, just like most people, I was just doing a lot of research, a lot of like YouTube videos, trying to see, like, what would I do? What would my avenue be? Like, am I going to? At that time, amazon FBA wasn't even a thing. But am I going to be an Amazon seller? What product would it be? Do I do a digital book? What else is I looking at? I mean, god, the internet was just so big. I was researching for two years and then, just finally, I was like, ok, eva, just do what you know, like you've already been a professional, like been working for. At that point it was like 13 years, 14 years, like I've done a lot Like, and I just wrote a list of like, what is it that I'm good at?
Speaker 2:I was resisting construction for a long time because it wasn't something that, like, I was passionate about. It's not, it's not helping people, it's not, and I just wanted to help people. I think I had to get over the fact that like, oh, construction is helping people, just not in the humanitarian way I was visualizing. So when I finally COVID forced me to get over it, because when COVID hit, like there's no income coming in, I already had like I was already not working for months prior. So I was like, ok, this is what I'm good at, this is what I know what to do, like just package it and sell it.
Speaker 2:And that's when I went and wrote the book, did the whole deal, and then by the time, I even started pushing that book. So I went back into consulting At that point. Then I consulted for my contractors and architect firms and I kind of like let the book fall to the waistband on the digital side until it picked back up recently when I started launching the construction course. So now I've packaged everything all together. It's interesting, though, how at least for me these things take time. Like I see some other people popping off like super quick, and I always tell my students don't let my limits be your limits. Whatever I did, you can do 10 times more than what I did. You know, don't start how I start be better, because I see some people that are just making like hella money in six months after they launched something.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But that was not me. It was a slow burn for me.
Speaker 1:Gotcha, gotcha, but still it's money that you don't have to work to make what I think is great.
Speaker 2:And I was always chasing residuals. I think back when I was younger maybe like 18, 19, I think it was like 1920, I was working on the corporate side for a network marketing company and I was their trainer. I was way too young to be doing this job honestly, but I was traveling around like all of the states and helping them train their people on how to sell the skincare and then helping create systems for the company, and that's how I was exposed to network marketing. I didn't actually ever sign up and build it traditionally. I did later on in life but my first exposure was that. So it was kind of very pure.
Speaker 2:So when I saw it I was like, oh, this is, residuals is the way, because in network marketing that's what they preach Residual money, passive income, do the work today and then make money for life. And that's when I got addicted to that and it always stayed in my mind of like, how do I create opportunities for myself that will pay me later, which was this digital course and still is going to be. Everything in the digital world, even my best investment has been an e-commerce store paying someone money to develop my Amazon store and build it out, and then I don't do anything, they do all of the work and we split the profits Like that's a dream investment for me, which is also digital.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So, you're older now, not older, but older You're not 19.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm older. Why is there?
Speaker 1:So the reason why I'm saying that is I remember being 18, 19, 20. And you talked about network marketing. So even now, people believe that network marketing is a scam, but they believe that because of how they were taught like traditionally, it goes back to what you're saying too.
Speaker 2:Everything's programmed into us.
Speaker 1:So I remember being someone that was introduced to that and it feels scammy because of how you've been taught that time and money are inclusive Right. So when you have to go to meetings, or you get introduced to a certain way or it's a process before the opportunity is available you know there's a certain level of vetting. You know, you have to. You know, share information with people you know. But if you really look at it, those are the highest levels of monetization, those are the highest levels of you becoming.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Because what do you got to do? You got to present what is presenting Packaging information. Yes, what is that? That's me taking this information out of package and I'm sharing it with someone that this product may be a good fit.
Speaker 2:In a palatable way, in a palatable way In their language Right.
Speaker 1:Then I do that over and over. So now I'm refining a skill set. Right, I'm orientating, which means I'm speaking, which means now I can go speak. Right, I'm pouring it to myself. Mindset, personal development routine. I'm around other people that are doing the same thing. Right, that I'm wanting to go to the next level.
Speaker 2:Checking all the boxes.
Speaker 1:That sounds like a scam to me. I don't know if I want to. I don't want none of that. That's a scam, don't sign me a job.
Speaker 2:That's a cold.
Speaker 1:Yes, that is what are y'all doing. Any y'all making money. What are y'all doing?
Speaker 2:Yeah, those are the conversations I want to be having. So when someone listed all those things out to me, I thought like you, and I was, like this makes sense. And even though everyone else said that, like this, like Eva, what are you doing? Like this is crazy, and this is just the heat that I'm getting from the corporate side. So imagine, like even when I started building in a company too, I would get so much heat, but I think that's where the taste, like when you're that person that just doesn't care what other people think you go against the grain. Because what I've learned is like, if people are going against the grain, you have to go the other way.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like whatever people are thinking is okay, you do the other thing, because all those list of skills you just listed are the only reasons why, like, we even have anything to say right now.
Speaker 1:No fact, 100%. I'm going to tell y'all to be very honest, like in, I have a performance coach, cool. So like she unlocked some stuff for me, what for me? Yesterday? But when I first sold our product, that was 5k, which is probably three years ago. It was my own, one of my own products. I remember like banging the line, like you know, being on a phone talking to people about it, and like stumbling and fumbling, you know what I mean. And then when someone asked me was like yes, I was like yo, like you know what I'm saying, like maybe it was called 30 because I was so bad, you know, but I have sales skills, but I was, you know this was different. But okay, man, maybe it took me three weeks, maybe it took me 30 calls, but I just made $5,000. And someone may have to be at work for what's that 40, 80, 160, 160 hours to maybe make 5k, you know what.
Speaker 1:I'm saying which one sounds easier in and about the house. Yeah, I guess you weren't sorry.
Speaker 2:Comfy you know what. I'm saying Comfy and closing.
Speaker 1:Yes, there you go.
Speaker 2:Comfy and closing. There you go.
Speaker 1:God level I'm good. Um so, timmy, that seems like what we should be doing. Like those are the skills we're running from, the skills that we have. Like those are the skills that can free you.
Speaker 2:Ah chills that can free you literally. These are the skills that AI cannot take away and like. This is like why I just pitched so much to people Like you see AI taking a lot of jobs, like even in grocery stores, like you just saw the McDonald's that came up. That's completely AI operated Well, not human operated. It's like the skills that are inside of us are really hard to mine. They're not easy, they're uncomfortable. You don't want to do it. It makes you feel awkward and embarrassed, but those are the things that will create the greatness out of someone, and God put us in this world to be great. So it's like he wants us to be in that environment where we're pushed up against the wall and we're creating this, like we're creating what we didn't think we could like. We're creating a future that we didn't think could happen you know, it's powerful that you also have this skill set.
Speaker 1:Let's share. I'm going to tell y'all I don't want to do nothing. That's not worth my value. And you know what's crazy? As you continue to grow and develop your skill set and be more self-aware, you end up turning down things that you would never turn down. You know what? I'm saying it's like think about this. I'll give you an example. Let's say I could close a call that might be a 30K call. I don't even want to do it Because I feel like it ain't worth my time, and I've not even found crazy y'all.
Speaker 2:I'm going to give you an example.
Speaker 1:Now the reason why I say that is because I relate it like this If I have sales reps and my sales reps, let's say, they get paid 10% to 15% of that sale to close that call and I close that call, that means I pay myself 10% to 15% of that call. I didn't make 30. I made 3,000. Let's just say so. Was that worth my time?
Speaker 2:Well, your mind could be thinking about how you get this 30,000 product to more people or make a 30,000 product of a $60,000 product right.
Speaker 1:That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's the.
Speaker 1:This is why y'all need to pay attention to the podcast. You know what I'm saying, but it's just different. Take notes, no, but it's just different. And I realized at some point there was friction. You know, maybe you might identify with this, but the friction was my old self that was used to just tasking and doing oh, I can just do this.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, let me just do the larger. It's faster if I do it. Yeah right, I have to explain it to them.
Speaker 1:It's going to slow me down 100%, but then my new version is like nah. So when a new version is like nah, but the old version is like we can just knock it out, that might lead to indecision or it might lead to it not getting done or it may lead to it getting delayed. But those are the inner conflicts.
Speaker 2:Yes, that happens to me all the time, like I'm constantly reassessing. Back in the day, I was reassessing just once a year, a quarterly, a monthly, a weekly. Now I have to recess by the day and reprioritize where my time is going to be, because you're hit with so many fires and you initially want to take them on yourself, but then you just have to stop and think and like, ok, can I train this out? Can I do it today, and how much time am I trying to save later? Like now, I'm just trying to be lazy, like I'm here for that lazy energy. It has to be easy. I want to be out. You know, I want to teach someone else how to do the great. You be good. If you have all the glory, I'm going to be over here.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Because the more I relax, I feel like the more I can handle the bigger problems and also, like forecast, make bigger money, like I've made the biggest financial jumps in my life from relaxing and just like taking control, yeah, everything, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:So earlier, before the cameras roll, you were talking about, like, where you came from, like your family. You know you being a youngster. You know a young lady, yeah, so what was that like? You know what was your upbringing like?
Speaker 2:Okay, what was my upbringing like? It's so interesting.
Speaker 1:You said you was adopted right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, oh, right, okay. So I'm adopted at birth and later on in my life, at 14, my mom leaves and my dad ends up being like not able to be a parent at that time either. At 16, I'm living on my own and I'll explain more of that in a second but, like, I always felt really blessed to be like brought up in that scenario. So you know how sometimes kids like are adopted and normally everyone's like, oh, have you looked for your parents? And it's kind of a sad thing, especially as a kid, a lot of people would ask me that question. Yeah, and I never felt like, even when they'd ask I'm like, no, like what do you mean? No, I'm like, no, I like I never felt like there was a piece of me missing. I felt like God blesses you with the life and he blesses you with the family. And even if you think that like it could be better or whatever it is, it's like. No, it's a blessing, like whatever it is. And I'm glad I always have that mindset because later on in life when I look back, I understand that every little bad thing or like quote, unquote bad thing was what created me to like be so vulnerable, be so empathetic with people because I've experienced, like everything life has to offer, all the blessings and all the hurts and turmoils, right and.
Speaker 2:But growing up in that environment when I was a kid felt great, because when you're a kid you don't really know any better. What you have is amazing. And it wasn't until like I would even say like 26, 27, 28 years old, when I'm like at that time I think I'm working less. Like before I was working eight hours a week from like 15 years old to like 25. So after that, when I started to like be around other families more, I started to understand oh shoot, my family dynamic wasn't normal. Like, oh, like I thought I was like a normal human. No, that didn't happen, oh shoot. So it's kind of this funny out of body experience where it's not like crazy or sad or like whoa is me, it's just like funny. You just like, wow, life is so comical like that. So growing up was, I mean, a blessing and then a challenge. You know, do you want me to go into other stuff?
Speaker 1:What I want to understand, like being adopted. So the reason why I want to understand that is because this part of someone, someone, could be adopted watching and listening to this, but it was like you are adopted but then you had a portion where, you know, one of your adopted parents was abandoned. You, yeah, so like, so it's like that's, and I don't think I've ever heard that story. I feel like I feel like I've heard people get adopted and they're in a family. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:That's funny, but I don't think I've heard someone get adopted and then wanted to adopt a parent into abandoning them. That's crazy. And then you turned out how you turned out. So I mean, it's another, it's a lesson also, yeah, but like did you? Well, okay one, you never yearn to find out about your biological parents? And then what did it feel like when that parent that?
Speaker 2:you know that parent left did you have your front abandonment.
Speaker 2:Whoa, this is such a good question. I mean, yeah, I mean still to this day, I struggle with abandonment. It's interesting because now is that I know, like what I know about life and everything. It's like I understand that we come into this world like God puts a very. We're all so unique, like our fingerprint, like our soul is very unique, so he puts us into this world with a very specific mission that he wants us to accomplish. And even if it's a mission, it's simple.
Speaker 1:I gotta take a note. Can I have to get back to that? Perfect, you go ahead.
Speaker 2:Okay, and even if it's a mission that seems so small like, even if it's something of just like, oh, you're going to be alive to cross that bridge one day and save that man from dying. And if you do save that man from dying, that man's going to go and, like, save the world from cancer. Like you could think that your life is so like minuscule, but there's something that God has you to do, and so, because I always like had that feeling and that connection with him, I've always felt like really at peace with it. And now, looking back, I can understand God made my life this way. For that reason, and when I was going through this process, like I remember my like kids would come and pick on me. They'd always tell me, oh, you're adopted, or, like, your family doesn't love you. I actually didn't even know I was adopted. This time. My mom's black and my dad is white, with, like, a Confederate flag tattooed on his left shoulder.
Speaker 2:It's the most like an orthodox situation you would see Is it like these are the doctor brands, yeah, and it's something I'm always very deeply grateful for and it's so funny because, looking back, I'm like only God could have orchestrated this. You know, something so like magical and painful and beautiful, and like to have my dad taught me. A lot of how I speak today is from my dad's mindsets and philosophies and, yeah, he lost his way when I was like 14, 15, when my mom left, and so my mom left and she left my dad and probably like $60,000 of debt, like in between the credit cards, rocking up, not paying the bills, like none of the light bills, nothing. She was like stacking cash and then, like when she moved out, took all the furniture. She really like left my dad in like a bad situation which is like not to like shame her by any means. I can understand now sometimes women really feel like this is what like I am supposed to have or whatever the case is, but like it put my dad in like a really like emotionally tough situation which had him spiral. And I now, looking back, I understand that people like we're all going to make mistakes and we're just trying to do the very best that we absolutely can in that moment but we're not like superhumans but to see how my dad recovered from that situation, like after six years being addicted to drugs, like hard poor and like us having to come through that cycle to see someone who can go to rock bottom and to build themselves up again, I think is more respectable than anything.
Speaker 2:But also who he was before that moment. He was always drilling into me like always do the best you can like, always see the good in everyone, never tell a lie, always do the right thing. And these are things he was saying every day to me, like these are his little, like his stains. You know, be like, be the first one in last one. How, always lead from the front, never ask someone to do something you won't do yourself. Always appreciate the little things, always see the silver lining. And those things literally got me through being abandoned, my mom leaving me, my dad then falling to drugs and leaving me, and then being like 15 already raising myself, but like at 16, not even in that house anymore, because that house is infested with like drug people. Cops are coming all the time, stuff's getting stolen all the time. It was not a good environment for me, but like.
Speaker 1:It's definitely not a good environment for me.
Speaker 2:And you know that's when I really built up the most of my mask and energy, where I figured out how to do it myself and leaned in like I didn't lean on anyone else. You know, I did it all on my own. And later, when my dad was recovering and we would talk about, of course he felt so bad but I was like dad, like, honestly, you gave me the mindset and then, after you gave me the mindset, you put it to practice and, honestly, if you wouldn't have done it, if it would have happened any other way, everything that I have today, at that moment, like I just like put the down payment on his house, like I gave him our Mercedes when I bought a new car, like I was doing the most. And looking back, I don't really think necessarily a child should do all those things for their parents. But like for me, coming from nothing, like we were always in poverty, like none of us had any money, like my dad didn't, like he was always teaching me how to dream and do these things.
Speaker 2:So I worked so hard to kind of get back to him in that way, because in my living situation my dad was actually the primary parent, like my mom didn't really like she did the best she could with what she had, but she didn't necessarily have that love in her. She didn't. She probably went through a lot of like trauma and things that I don't even know about, but like we didn't have a close relationship. So my dad was my everything. So everything I am, even to this day, was to get back to him, even when he passed away. I almost went through this like identity crisis because I was like what am I working for?
Speaker 1:Did that pass away? Yeah, mine's in too.
Speaker 2:Did you also go through some. I'm sure you probably were working really hard for your mom.
Speaker 1:No, so my mom and my mom and dad weren't together. So how I kind of look at it is I feel like my mom was one of the women that my dad was dealing with, because he also like have a sister from his side that's 11 months older than me, so like, oh, they were both pregnant at the same time.
Speaker 2:Like, the math is nothing.
Speaker 1:Listen, what are we doing? So so you know, I feel like my mom was was a woman that my dad was dealing with and I don't know if he introduced her to drugs and she was already doing drugs and then our relationship kind of like amplified it. But he was a street dude. She could have been somebody that already had a taste, or maybe that relationship brought on that hunger and she passed away from drugs. She had double pneumonia, a weakened immune system. Sharon Needles, I used to go to crack houses with her. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:I didn't know ammonia. My dad always had ammonia. Is that a drug thing?
Speaker 1:It's from a weakened immune system. So it could be like HIV, it could be AIDS. It could be just from drug abuse that your immune system just Done.
Speaker 2:It could be a couple of different things.
Speaker 1:You know what I mean. And when your immune system's done, you don't have that natural defense, so you're going to be susceptible to like a common cold can come get you A common cold. You're like yo, let me sleep this off, let me get this on, so let it out. But someone that has a weakened immune system, a common cold could really take them out for a week or even worse. You know it can be a situation like that, depending on how weakened their immune system is so.
Speaker 1:My mom passed when I was 12. My dad only recalls saying maybe a handful of times we never had a relationship. We never told me anything other than to not be like him and you know fail. That's the message I got.
Speaker 2:That's all of that.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:You're like what was he? Okay, good, Don't shoot any of that.
Speaker 1:So he died when I was 15. So I didn't have them. So my lessons were like seeing what they did and me learning what not to do from them. You know, and my grandmother raised me, but she died when I was 16 for lung cancer. Whoa and I mean in the 80s people would smoke it.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And also, like my grandma and my aunt, my uncle that I mentioned to you earlier, they all passed for lung cancer.
Speaker 2:Whoa.
Speaker 1:You know, at different stages in my life.
Speaker 2:What are you doing at this age? So, at this point.
Speaker 1:Well, my grandmother raised me. She was my guardian, so she passed away when I was 16. I was going to my last year of high school, so we stayed in the family house. So it was really just kind of business as you know more in terms of like the routine and everything.
Speaker 1:I wasn't displaced. My aunt was living upstairs, my uncle was living downstairs. I just stayed in the home because it was like a three family. So I was in that second apartment that me and my grandmother was living in, but she passed, but she your main person at this time.
Speaker 2:Like the first you'd come home just from school and say like this is what happened.
Speaker 1:She used to take me whooping you know, tennis Like she was my mom. She was my mom Because she, like you know, when her daughter, my mom, couldn't take care of me because of her drug addiction, she became my legal guardian. So she basically was my mom. So you know, all the lessons that I got were instilled from her. You know, for what I can recollect.
Speaker 2:I have questions now.
Speaker 1:Yeah, go. Or is there a podcast now?
Speaker 2:This is what I'm podcast out. No, because I wonder. I'm like I haven't sat in front of someone who has lost every important person in their life before 16. So I'm wondering if, like how you felt in the situation too, if it relates to how I was feeling, did you also like, when I was that age because of this, like you're going through high school, you obviously have to like figure life out, like figure life out and how you're going to survive I actually, looking back, realized that I didn't necessarily feel my feelings. I was very like apocetic, very turned off to everything. I didn't talk to anyone about anything I was going through. I could literally have whole friends that like knew, like they could think I was a functioning human, but they didn't know any of like the sadness that I was dealing with.
Speaker 1:Did you also go through the same. That sounds very familiar, to be honest. But what okay? So, like all my friends at the time knew what was going on and I experienced so much death that I became numb to it and it didn't stop me from doing anything, Like I still whooped, I still went to school, I still talk to girls, I still did my thing. You know still, you know whatever. But I channeled how I felt through writing, so like I used to just write poetry or I would like, like, like free write, or I would take any situation I was in and you know we didn't have the cell phones back then. I had a notebook.
Speaker 1:So I just, I just write. I just write on a notebook so like I could be on the subway and I could see someone and then get inspired, and then I just write, so like that's how I was able to like heal myself or just get my emotions out, my feelings out.
Speaker 2:Did you talk to your friends, though, about it Like? I know they knew, like my friends knew too, but like I just felt like it was so deep and so heavy that there was, like I didn't even feel like a trust for sure, I think, trust issue I, maybe it was trusted. I just didn't feel like anyone could relate. I was like what's the point of talking about something that, like no one can?
Speaker 1:relate to. I would agree with that. I definitely feel like anyone could relate, but at the same time it was just like also felt like I don't want anyone to feel bad for me. I honestly start to resent when people are like yo are you? Okay. Oh, I'm sorry to hear that, like I didn't tell you to feel, sorry to hear that.
Speaker 2:Do you think that's a mask and energy thing? Which one Like to not want people, because you know feminine energy is like, you know like we're more like, oh yeah, like we get it.
Speaker 1:Well, it might have been both. I think I had trust issues, so I was protecting myself. I didn't want anyone to feel bad for me, but at the same time, I don't want to be treated differently, because now it's like it's now you're learning something about me and then suddenly you feel bad. So it's like now you're like how I want to you know.
Speaker 2:So you want to kind of. I'm like man, you should feel bad.
Speaker 1:Yeah, Open my door please. No mine's a little different, you know, in the might of it, because I was a young man, you know I was a, you know, young boy.
Speaker 2:But I didn't have Try to carve your way in the world and I didn't have that other older brother uncle. The support.
Speaker 1:To be like yo, this is how you should process it, or what someone says out to you, this is how they may be thinking or feeling, so you shouldn't feel offended by it or whatever. Like I didn't have that.
Speaker 2:Did anyone like come to you and say, hey, son, like I know this is a hard time, like you've just kind of, you've lost everyone, probably? Yeah.
Speaker 1:I mean, I had a great grandma and I was still there and I had I don't know, I don't know At that point when my aunt passed away, but she was still there at a port at a portion in my twenties. But I just didn't want people to feel bad for me and I don't feel bad for myself and I just I just developed trust issues, but the trust issues were more like I just expect you not to stay.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's also my like same feeling of the band.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I just, I just yeah.
Speaker 2:You almost prepared for it.
Speaker 1:It's like yo were you out six months, you out. Yeah, you know it's like that.
Speaker 2:It's like you're just like so what, so what?
Speaker 1:what are we doing?
Speaker 2:You don't get like overly excited about people, or overly attached to people, and you're just like, oh okay, like we're here, I'm not practicing, but like I'm not going to count my future on like you being here, cause, yeah, everyone like leaves. Have you worked through that Like?
Speaker 1:now it's adult.
Speaker 2:I'm like I realized that, like I like there was a process where, like I thought I was perfect, I was like, oh, I'm this like smart, driven, funny, nice, caring woman, but then I realized, oh shit, I have like a lot of like abandonment wounds where I almost like pushed people away. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I feel like I don't feel like you ever get perfect. I think that you learn, you unlock your fine tune, and then you have people coming to your life where it's like, oh, wow, okay, you show me something different, or you show me different perspective, or you're able to elevate me.
Speaker 2:You know or you're able? Yeah, fine, tune the layer yeah.
Speaker 1:So I think you get that from people and experiences and, like you know, coaches, mentors, just having people that you can talk to.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:They don't judge you, and you know.
Speaker 2:You have walked the path before in a greater way. And it doesn't even have to be financial. It could be maybe like biblical or health wise or whatever and they have the tools, the resources, the analogies, the stories. I feel like stories like really heal. You know, if you can, I can hear one story from my coach where I'm like, wow, I relate to that and it can transcend the years of work. And one story.
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Speaker 1:Let's get it. I mentioned something earlier about, like people being here and having missions, so the thing is this right, I would love to hear what you're thinking about, tess Tiff. So how can people discover or even spend time on their mission when they're so inundated with how to pay the bills, you can't even get to the mission. Some people never even arrive at starting the mission because they weren't about keeping a light song.
Speaker 2:But this, this is part of my life mission, by the way, is to teach people how to create their dream life. And because, like I've done it myself I know you've done it like and I realize it's one thing that people really get stuck in. And even for the longest time and I'm sure you can relate to this as I was going through the movements, I didn't feel like I was aligned with my mission, with my life purpose. It took me a total of like 12 years, 13 years, to actually start doing something where I felt like, oh, this is it.
Speaker 2:There were other times in my life where I was doing things like I would even say network marketing. When I was actually doing network marketing and building a team, I had that glimmer of like, oh, this is it. And that's when, like, I could feel like, oh, I was helping people, I was making an impact, I was having stimulating conversations. It was the first glimpse of my life's purpose. It wasn't necessarily what I should have been doing, but it was where I was accessing what made me a better person, and I think that's the key for people to find what they're good at is to try as many things as possible wholeheartedly, like things that you know people, a lot of people, on trying network marketing because they're like, oh, that's a scam, we'll do it anyway.
Speaker 1:We know what the scam is, still try it Good job Literally. Give money slow to the state.
Speaker 2:Yes, that's such a scam. And picking up on that part which relates to your question, is the world that we live in today, I think, the faster that people start to realize that it wasn't created for us to be successful, it wasn't created for us to be living our highest self, to be healthy, not stressed. Understand that even driving outside is a stressor, like traffic bills, all of these weird things that we're doing, the side that we're living in.
Speaker 1:Do you know about the straw man?
Speaker 2:The straw man? Yeah, no.
Speaker 1:We had a different conversation. You go ahead, you got to tell me a little bit about that Because I know about crazy stuff. All right, so All of it.
Speaker 2:I might know about this, but just not know the term.
Speaker 1:So basically and I'm not trying to throw you off, because you kind of go hand in- hand, I'll find it again. You sure? Yeah, allegedly so. Basically, you know, the country that we live in is a corporation. It's not a country.
Speaker 2:Yeah, right, yeah.
Speaker 1:And because it's a corporation, we're the property of the corporation. So when you're born, your birth certificate is part of the corporation. So the laws that govern the universe and the laws that govern the country or the corporation too, everything. So the laws that govern the universe is who you are, your authentic self, but the laws that govern the corporation is who they created on your birth certificate. So there's two versions of Eva Brown.
Speaker 2:Oh, I love that. The Eva Brown. That's the lowest.
Speaker 1:There's the Eva Brown that exists in the universe. That's under God law and the law of the land. And then there's the Eva Brown, let's say the capitalized Eva Brown, that exists under the corporation and that's where they're able to tax you and give you fees and parking tickets give you debt.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:That's a task too. The version of you that was created.
Speaker 2:And what trips me out is is that like, okay, there's so much I can say about this, but life is like a video game, right, and we're living in all of these little simulations. Our own life is our own simulation, but then we live inside of these larger ones, and then there's universal God law, which is the, that's like the creator of everything. So, like I follow God law, but then you have the like, little mini simulations, which is like this straw, what do you call?
Speaker 2:this, it's called straw man, straw man, and then that like creates these little matrix, matrix, matrixes inside of the matrix that we're like living. So we're like a game instead of a game instead of a game, instead of all these little mini games. And in order for you to like break free from a lot of this stuff, it's like not only knowing the game and understanding, but the level for you to know this, the amount of books and research you have to go down. It's like you have to know history, government law. You're also learning about tax law. You're also learning about the history of the country, like the country and the major companies that have built this country. So, like Rockefeller and like all these other crazy companies that are funneling into the pharmaceutical company, the, we're going to get like what is it called when you get blacklisted off of podcasts or like they're going to come for us after this.
Speaker 2:But the banks, pharmaceuticals, fast food industry it's like all ran by these conglomerate companies that have just locked us in their way of operating.
Speaker 2:But once you break out, you start to like, meet people that are more aligned, and I feel like it's going to divide soon and more people are waking up to it to start to get educated on even how to maneuver your life inside of the States with like, through taxes, through wealth management, like. I think the reason why we're not taught financial literacy and in school is obviously to keep us working for people. And once you know financial literacy, you understand what to do with your taxes and how to move in business. You don't have to be a big business boss, babe, but you could literally just go do what you love, make $30,000, $100,000 a year the same that you'll make being a teacher, being this or being whatever but do it for yourself and then have abundant tax write-offs. Like these are the things that could really set society, set people apart from society and build them up you know, have you ever read the Creature from Jekyll Ireland?
Speaker 2:Mm-mm, you got to read that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'll actually read that right away. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you got to read that one, so I agree with that. As far as the mission, people can't get to their high self and help people that they were designed or created for or what their life prep would worth a touch if they're worrying about bills and no-transcript. Money's really energy, and because money's energy, it's not connected with time. Yes, and I think that's one of the biggest fallacies right there.
Speaker 2:It's interesting how everything that we have been taught is so opposite to what is actually the reality of the world.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because you're not talking about the hardest thing.
Speaker 2:It's like not even a question, but our entire life growing up, we have been taught to think that money is the source of all, the source of all good and evil. Money doesn't grow on trees, money isn't infinite, but really it all is Like we create it. We can create whatever we want to.
Speaker 1:Yeah, money doesn't even exist.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's literally.
Speaker 1:It's like air, like there's no scarcity there on air. There's billions of people here. We got enough air.
Speaker 2:You saying that Like that's literally what unlocks someone from not having money to having money. And it's the simplest thing, but when you put money into the same category as air and you understand that it is just so abundant and you can buy and spend and circulate as you please, but it's our energy that ruins it. When we spend the money and when we think about spending it or receiving it, our energy blocks it. It's either we spend it and we're like, oh, another bill. As opposed to thinking, oh, I'm so grateful that.
Speaker 1:I have this self. I want to pay people.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's why I always tell people I love paying people. Let me pay you. I love paying for all service, for high quality service, and I also love receiving money. A lot of people have blocks receiving money. They feel bad about it. I'm like no money's supposed to circulate. It's not even anything important. Like you're important, like a human is important.
Speaker 1:A money is like a total paper, are you?
Speaker 2:Canadian no.
Speaker 1:But I'm nice like a Canadian. You just feel like a Canadian. I'm like, is she Canadian y'all? I could be I don't know, you might have to check the limit. She might be you might be. It might be somewhere in there. It might be some Canadian.
Speaker 2:I mean I really am nice like a Canadian. A, you know Right From the A, yeah. Or I could talk Hawaiian pigeon, you know, after everything I would say yeah.
Speaker 1:I don't know that thing about Hawaiian. I ain't been there yet.
Speaker 2:You got to go and speak, pigeon.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2:I got to go. What's up with you, brother?
Speaker 1:See what you talking about. Ok, so, transitioning on to energy, I've been going down some of your content and I feel like I don't know if it's recent. I just been tapping in. Recently You've been talking a lot about energy masculine, feminine.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:You've been talking about how, like you know the intention of like masculine in women and energy. You also been talking about what you I think. I don't know. I think I saved it, but Thank you. Yeah, but it was something like the type of masculine energy that like makes sense for. So let's say, someone like you you know what I mean.
Speaker 1:So, like the type of energy that would the type of masculine energy, that would be a compliment to the feminine energy that you are, that women are, yes. So let's speak on that a little bit.
Speaker 2:Oh, I love this topic. It's one of my favorites.
Speaker 1:Clearly because every other post is like ah, ah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I feel like too on my Instagram I talk about so many different things Like construction, digital projects, feminine energy.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm always about like for me on my Instagram. You'll get like energetics, money, money moves, but a lot of like energy, work, masculine, feminine energy and then universal energetics in general, because, man, that's made the biggest difference in my life. Like my life now is like really easy. It's very like God-focused, it's very, it's very led right. I'm completely supported, like I have completely taken my hand off the wheel. God directs the entire plane ship, the whole fleet of everything he's creating, and when I started leaning into that type of energy and using these two dynamics, I feel like that's done, like a lot of abundance of locks and a lot of ease in my life, where I don't have to like bust the phone like crazy amount of times or like do a lot of work to like circulate money. It just comes naturally.
Speaker 2:But it took me like three years to practice it, which is why I like to talk about it a lot. Where should I start? What do?
Speaker 1:you think I want to start on the um, the feminine energy, because I feel like right now the feminine energy, at least the messaging, is kind of wild. Right now it's everywhere it's wild.
Speaker 1:What do you say about that? It's wild. It's like Women, okay. So I feel like the there's a messaging of women that are being, that are masculine, that don't want, let's say, a male masculine because they feel like they're masculine, or like a women's energy that is feminine, right, very feminine-led, has masculine, you know, you know awareness. But like wants masculine, wants the masculine to compliment, still wants to be led because it's important. You know what I'm saying? Like I think people, like it's the same as I was in the Bible People, people think that if I'm like I want to lead a woman, like that's that's. It's like I'm saying something negative. Or like a Like if a woman is successful, it's like, yeah, you know what I would give this up to to um, you know, support my husband. Like that's negative.
Speaker 1:And I feel like whatever's gonna work for people is what's gonna work because, you know, a woman can still be masculine in her, in her old right, but still be A supporter of supporting the entire man in that relationship.
Speaker 2:Yes.
Speaker 1:So it's wild out here, you know. It's like I had a conversation with my friend. I'm like and we just talking, I'm like, uh, women choose A lot of women choose easy jobs, and she took a fence to it.
Speaker 2:I'm like they should choose easy jobs.
Speaker 1:I'm like.
Speaker 2:It's not in our hormones to work that hard, Like, literally, like our body's not meant for a hard job.
Speaker 1:And what I'm saying to her is I'm like, Like it's not a knock or a negative where, like, women aren't building infrastructure, they're not in the ocean, putting down pipes and running royal lines. What I'm saying I'm putting down train tracks and, yes, there's a percentage of women that are in these industries doing that thing, but women are not building the planet.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like when you look at society as a whole.
Speaker 1:Yeah, y'all are populating the planet? Who contributes who, and who contributes what?
Speaker 2:And it's like and right now we have to understand society. Everyone wants to be different but at the end of the day, universal laws are universal laws Like you're not gonna change.
Speaker 2:Yes, and now how I'm seeing the future. It's like we've already spent so many decades being separated and not playing as a team when I look at relationships especially like that's a team unit. So the better that people can get on board with understanding that everyone has feminine and masculine energy inside of them. We each are responsible to balance those energies. Like you know, I have it. Feminine energy helps us tap into softness, into beauty, into creation. Like feminine energy, it transforms and it transcends what it's given. So I love the fact in this energies you have, whether if you look at it in a biblical state and just an energetic state, or if you're looking at it from Eastern medicine, like across the board, throughout the world, the universal laws exist where those polarities matter and they're not going anywhere.
Speaker 2:So we're either gonna fight against the grain and try to be something that we're not and say like, no, like I'm a woman, I'm hard and I'm this and I'm that. Yeah, I can be all of those things, but life is so big and so full. Why would I only wanna be that? Well, the reason why every woman wants to be that and wants to be a boss babe, and wants to do hard things and wants to prove themselves. So when you say comments like that, it triggers them. They wanna prove themselves because unfortunately, we've been raised to a society that was not built in our best interests. It wasn't built to program us in our best programming. It was like we're in a society where words like easy don't sound good, you know, like no one wants to say, oh, I took the easy job. But what we don't realize is is no words, nothing exists in this world that's necessarily wrong or right. Like everything is just neutral. We make the meanings of things. So when you say a word like easy, I make a meaning of that word. That's amazing. Like, yeah, someone in a relationship should tap into easy energy.
Speaker 2:Could you imagine having a relationship with someone where both people are in like hard jobs and they're just both struggling? Like and I'm not like gender-alizing here, but on most of the men that I know, first of all, the men I know are divine mask and men you guys are creators, providers. Like you guys see vision, you go and you make it happen and you do the things. And like you don't necessarily need your counterpart doing the things with you, like you don't need her to move the boxes, you don't need her to do those things you would actually want someone like, and also as a mask and man mask and men don't want to do things that are easy and soft. That's awesome. Not you guys. Like you guys aren't trying to chill and like decorate the house and make things look cute.
Speaker 1:I ain't trying to do this here.
Speaker 2:No right.
Speaker 1:Like, and that's fair. I ain't trying to do it. I'd say trust though.
Speaker 2:Yeah, perfect, like, get in where you fit in, you know, and if like and as, like a woman, I think for a lot of years, because women had to. Unfortunately, even when I look back to the war and when you pin this stuff and how history has developed, you see how women came into the workforce. And when women came into the workforce during World War II, when they came in, then what happened to the households? Kids are now going to the babysitters. Now there's two income.
Speaker 2:At that same moment in that year the government also decided to start adding income tax. So the government now just has increased money across the board that wasn't even supposed to stay. They were just saying here we're going to do this during this period of time so we can get us through the war, because we need extra money to pay for this stuff. Everyone's on board, the country's united, that's beautiful, but that tax stayed the same. So of course now it's in the people at the top's best interest for these two incomes to stay generating.
Speaker 2:But then the family unit now falls apart. Now women are also sold that they have independence and all of this great stuff. But then what happens is it's like, first off, men can do anything and women can do anything, but like when you're in a marriage, when you're in a partnership, why would you want to do everything Like? You do that the best you can do, and I'll do this the best I can do. You can't decorate a house better than me. You know like, and I take pride in that, and you and I probably can't build a house like better than you.
Speaker 1:You could probably do it a lot better. Oh no, you and I this was listen, see you brought in the house and decorate it and you got that yeah.
Speaker 2:But it takes a team. I think because I work with so many men is why I feel so passionately about this, because I work in an environment where, every day, I realize how strong and amazing and kind-hearted men are and how much they do for me, for everyone, and I have this sense of appreciation for all my contractors you know, I'm just like Jesus, thank you so much and because I'm always so appreciative which, by the way, is feminine energy I feel like their love tank is filled in a different way, like then it would be working for someone else Men like to feel appreciated and thought of.
Speaker 1:You know.
Speaker 2:Dude, you guys like break your backs, like you guys do stuff that like I would never in a million years want to do and like even if I could, I wouldn't want to, and I just think there's like so much honor in that. I do think the moment that men start appreciating women for what we do, in terms of being nurturing, kind, open-hearted, like women, like we might not be like the most masculine energy is about doing, getting things done, being vibrant, being action-oriented. Feminine energy is about being still mindful, intuitive, trusting God, trusting. So that would be trusting your masculine energy, which is what you're talking about the man that leads and I refer a lot of things to God.
Speaker 2:So when I think of masculine energy as a feminine woman, I look at masculinity as, like God, my father in heaven, my father, my late father, Any man in my life I'm like, oh, that is, that's God energy. I can follow that leadership, Of course, good leadership. No woman should follow a man that's not like in his honor, in his integrity. But life is easier if you do it that way. Even in work I use these energies and it's like I could go into work and think that, oh, I'm a bad bitch and I have managed so many great projects and I know what I'm doing. But for me to always still in my work environment, submit myself to following and listening to men that have came before me, that are greater to me, and supporting them in their vision, my jobs run better. Like I could argue with them all day long or I could want it to be my way, but that's not gonna get us, the team, to the best place, you know.
Speaker 1:So I got a wild take. My wild take is this If everyone well, not everyone, but if the majority of people are worried about money, right, they're so distracted by that.
Speaker 2:Mm-hmm okay.
Speaker 1:Right, let's say they're distracted by that so they can't think about their purpose or how to help people, right. And now we got this messaging dividing men and women. So now I can't, I don't even have time to think about my purpose, I don't even want to be in this relationship. I don't want to get in a relationship, or if I get in a relationship, it's like this, right, or it's like that or whatever it takes. Maybe there is no family unit and I can't-.
Speaker 2:No support system.
Speaker 1:Ain't no support system. There's no family unit. I can't think about my highest, next level and how to help people, because I'm worried about paying these bills yeah you're in survival mode Right. So now let's say I'm in a relationship and we're in Connect and there's no unity. So I can't. You can't help me get to my next level, you can't help me multiply. I'm not there to support you or lead you where you need to go. So now we're just stuck.
Speaker 2:How crappy is that right? Like to live in a world where you just cycle through the same thing and you feel like a failure because you're so right Like you don't have time, energy or space to work on yourself, like you're literally just clocking 40 hours a week. You're commuting probably an additional four hours you barely have. You come home maybe at six, seven o'clock, try to cook food. How are you supposed to connect with your partner? How are you even supposed to connect with yourself, to even understand.
Speaker 2:And then you just feel like wow, like I suck, like I can't figure out this whole relationship thing, or I'm always attracting the wrong person or whatever else, and it's like no boo, you're great, you're just like tapped into the wrong source.
Speaker 1:The wrong frequency.
Speaker 2:Like get out of there, run so that's my wild take.
Speaker 1:I don't know. I'm not saying that y'all should believe that. That's just how I feel. You know, if you're so distracted you can't worry about like getting real true connection and building a family unit and like really developing your own situation with your tribe and your people. You can't really do what you were designed to do, what you were called to do.
Speaker 2:I think, and we'll talk way more about feminine, masculine energy, but it kind of relates back to something you spoke about a few questions ago. But I feel like what I missed what I was going to say.
Speaker 1:What's saying?
Speaker 2:Where did it go? Where did it go? Where did it?
Speaker 1:go Feminine, masculine energy called.
Speaker 2:You asked earlier like what could people do to get, like, unplugged from the system?
Speaker 2:to be able to like set themselves free. And, as you're speaking right now, it reminds me of, like what people could do, which is like, of course, always living below your means so you can start to get your time back. I think that's what's key. It's like your first focus in life is how do I get my time back? And if that means you have to work extra hard and double down for a set amount of time, you say, okay, I'm going to like work like crazy for three months so I can get myself X amount of money, so I can have five hours, 10 hours a week back in my life, and then from there you can start making like smart, energy, financial decisions. I'm like, okay, with this five hours, am I going to do work on myself? That will there.
Speaker 2:Anytime you work on yourself, your relationships by default elevate. You don't even need to work on your relationship. You just work on yourself and everything else to be fine. So if you have that extra five hours in a week, then you can say, okay, two hours I'm going to work on myself, I'm going to go to the therapist, I'm going to have a coach or journal, whatever, and these other three hours I'm going to work on my money, on increasing it, and I think if people can do that, they can start to chip away and in three years time, being a completely different place, right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think if people are going crazy, I think that's a good one yeah.
Speaker 2:That's a good one.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's a good one. So when we I mean I feel like we can have, we can just keep going. You know, I feel like we can keep going, so what's some value you want to leave the people with? Because I feel like if we keep going, it's going to be like another, it's going to be like a Andrew Tate type of podcast.
Speaker 2:Four hours, four hours anyway.
Speaker 1:So what's something you want to leave the people with?
Speaker 2:I want to leave the people with, I think, practice, like not being afraid of fail and just practicing as much as you possibly can and never taking no for an answer, just seeing no as a, as a not yet, and trying new things, and like exploring, like trying things that you don't like and still doing them anyway, and doing it with a positive heart and an uplifted mindset that will, I think, will take you out of any situation you're in. Honestly, like be delusional, as everyone's saying. Like have the rose colored sunglasses, like I always say that if, when I was going through my worst times, if I would have looked for the, if I would have been focused on the bad things which is what's easy to do I would have never made it out. But because I was so gaslighting myself to only see the positive and to ignore the bad stuff, I think it put enough distance energetically between the like poverty that I lived in, the destitute that I was in, and it was able to focus me on my future.
Speaker 2:And every single time I took a step, like those little steps added up and you know you won't be where you want to be overnight, but you're going to get there eventually. But if you don't start today, you're never going to get there. So I would just bet on yourself. So in 10 years you could literally be on the yacht. Whatever your, your, your dream is, you can have it. You know, that's it.
Speaker 1:So where can I find you?
Speaker 2:Mostly on Instagram at Eva Brown EVAA Brown and on TikTok. It's the same.
Speaker 1:So if someone wants to learn from you on a consulting side, maybe be coast by you. Those are the places that they're going to go to.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, and then you can go to the website or everything, because then you can see what I'm about.
Speaker 2:You'll you'll flip through some reels on there that you have links to my websites, consulting schedule links as well.
Speaker 2:I work with people primarily on construction and business development, so the conversations we're having are, of course, and how to become a project manager, how to, how to get into the construction realm and added in as a service if you're already in that space, but also developing your business, so a lot of resources, like.
Speaker 2:What's cool about this experience for me is that all my businesses have now come together. So, after like, having salons, rental cars, like brick and mortar locations, and like and doing so many different investments and being part of a lot of negotiations and contracts, and like I've had just had my hands in everything, but on a very high level, right, and just talking to lawyers, and I'm realizing, as I'm starting to coach my students and they're asking me these questions, the type of information I'm giving them is so beyond construction. It's like more into how to set up your LLCs properly, how to make sure that your systems are correct so you can with, like you can withstand and grow faster Even faster than me, because when I first started construction I didn't even have a website. I just did all the referral, which is a flex, but, like, obviously you can make more money even at all in other ways.