From Material Success to Spiritual Wealth | Exposing J-Griff

As I sat with J-Griff in a random Peer Space in San Diego, a wave of curiosity washed over me—how does one's spiritual journey intertwine with entrepreneurship? That's precisely what we talked about in our conversation, where the depths of the human spirit meet the heights of business ambition. We traverse my own early spiritual dialogues, tying these profound experiences to the elusive concept of the strawman.

This podcast is a practical guide to cultivating a life rich in purpose and peace. From my own story of empowerment in entrepreneurship to J-Griff.

Our episode doesn't shy away from the tougher questions. We tackle the societal shifts post-2020, from political stagnation to the looming threat of automation, while not forgetting the vital role personal relationships play in paving the route to self-realization. This episode isn't just a podcast; it's an invitation to join us on a journey to conscious wealth, where success is measured not by what's in your bank, but by the wealth within.

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Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:02

Welcome to the Honour-Pursuit podcast, where we connect with entrepreneurs, movers, shakers and business owners who build amazing things on the pursuit of their goals and dreams. And I'm your host, brendan Boyd. What's up y'all? Welcome to another episode of the Honour-Pursuit podcast. Today we're in San Diego.

Speaker 1: 0:21

I'm linking with someone that listen, I just consumed a whole bunch of his content after being introduced not directly to him, but somebody brought him up right, and I'm the type of person that likes networking. I like to do a little bit of background right. So I jumped on his Instagram and that led me to his YouTube and I'm going to tell y'all I went down like a rabbit hole of just hours of content. You know what I'm saying. In some videos I watched two or three times. You know what I'm saying. So this individual is going to teach you a lot about what's really going on and we're going to have an amazing conversation. I got some questions for him and I'm just excited, man. Hey, gref, welcome to the podcast. Appreciate you, bro. Yeah, man, I'm excited to meet you, bro. Excited to meet you too. Come on, man, this is good man.

Speaker 1: 1:02

So I think one of the things that just drew me to your content I think originally was just you talk from like a spiritual aspect. You know what I mean and for me, I feel like that's something that it always calls to me, like I'm always meditating, I'm praying, I'm very intentional about like my solo time time I have just speaking to myself, but speaking to the God within and God above. So hammering some of those messages, I was just all right, let me go a little bit further. And as I started deepening a little bit further, I started really digging into the content, because you're just talking about like really understanding what's going on behind what we think is important. I would say that's a good way to put it. And then there was, you know, and I'll have you talk about a little bit, but there was like your name and how there's a representation of your name and how your name might actually be.

Speaker 2: 2:01

You're talking about.

Speaker 1: 2:02

Tristan man. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because my friend of mine was talking about this about six months ago in Miami and I'm like what's this? So she was like check these books out. So I ordered some books on Tristan man. I started digging, digging them. David Robinson, that told me about it. Or the author. The author, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly, yep. So then when I heard you talk about it, I'm like, okay, like Dott started connecting.

Speaker 1: 2:32

So really, what's going on behind what people think? So I'll give you an example. I'm an entrepreneur, you're an entrepreneur, people working hard, right. So typically I would say you're like you know, I want to work hard, I want to get a house, I want to take a car, I want to take some trips. You know I want to. Maybe I'm a bachelor. You know I want a nice little life so I can attract, you know, pretty women or just, you know, just a fat lifestyle, just different type of people, and that's like on the surface, but that's not really what matters, because those things go away and you know they don't last and you know you might acquire them and then you'll want something else. So I guess the first thing I have to do is like what's really going on with life. You know, what are some things that we should really be like paying attention to.

Speaker 2: 3:19

Deep questions start us out with. So, first and foremost, for those of you who are going to watch this, I can only speak on my experience, and you know you watched my full episode with JD, which is who Connected Us, and so, yeah, shout out to JD. I went very, very deep into my backstory and so I'll kind of condense. But basically, from a young age you know I've had, I was brought up in the church and raised Christian, and though I would not identify with a religion at this point in my life, from a very young age I had a direct relationship with what I'll refer to as God and I didn't understand fully, number one, how rare that was and maybe that's not normal.

Speaker 2: 4:13

So when you say really like you felt a connection or you felt connected, yeah, yeah, but deeper than that, like like two-way conversations at six years old, like that was all that I knew. So I didn't think much of it until I became more of an adult. And then, like you talk to other people, you hear how other people are raised and you hear like bro, that's not normal. And I would also like test God, also like prove you're real. I would focus on certain things and they would happen, different stuff like that. And so from a young age it was, like you know, I didn't have the tools for it, I didn't have the vocabulary for it, I didn't have the awareness yet for it, but I was, as I say in a lot of my content, kind of peeking behind the veil at a young age. And so that's just a little context for everyone. But your question, I believe, was something along the lines of what should people be focusing on? Yeah, I'm hesitant to tell people how they should live their life, but I could say if someone's not happy with the quality of their life or they're not feeling fulfilled in their life, I think that's because we live in a society that values the material world, the 3D, and is unable to see the behind the curtain of what actually governs the 3D, which I refer to in, at least in my content, as the 5D. The metaphysical realm governs the physical realm and we seem to understand things like gravity and we understand certain principles of physics like inertia or whatever. But when it comes to energy, when it comes to quantum energy, quantum physics, all of a sudden we're a conspiracy theorist or we're woo-woo because we're talking about energy and everything's energy. We understand that in physics. We understand it when it comes to matter and protons and electrons. But when we start talking about God, all of a sudden people are like, oh, I'm not interested in religion, and so that's a whole other rabbit hole.

Speaker 2: 6:20

But as far as how people can integrate these concepts in their life, I think it's just comes down to we each have to define for ourselves the meaning our lives have. And for me, I have a hard time wrapping my head around how someone who's an atheist or someone who is agnostic, who believes that there was just a big bang, and then this is it and then all means nothing, what kind of meaning does their life have? That to me is bordering on nihilistic. And as a society, if you have a nihilistic society, that's characteristic of a society's collapse. The strongest society's, the most thriving societies and systems all throughout history are those that are united around a set of ideals, and America used to stand for something. We kind of are so fragmented in this day and age. It's all about your truth. Everyone has their truth, your truth, your truth, your truth, and you're not allowed to infringe or upset anyone else's truth. And so we all live in these little echo chambers of biases, but that's not what unites a people or unites a nation, and so a lot of my messages is just around like.

Speaker 2: 7:47

I don't know if you came across this video, but one of our most popular videos, especially for our core audience, is a video called. I Believe it's. Why Are you here? And I'm basically explaining to people what the matrix was really about from a spiritual perspective. And this whole notion of you're not the voice in your head and your soul chose to come here for a reason and some of these deeper concepts that a lot of people who are just plugged into the matrix, trying their best to work day in, day out, so that they can barely afford to pay their rent and get by and feed their kids and so on and so forth you don't have time to pause reflect, zoom out and think about existential questions.

Speaker 1: 8:31

See, that's what I was going to say, because I feel like if you are doing that, right, if you are in that rat race and you're thinking about making today's bills, making this week's bills, making this month's bills, you can't really ever think about what's going on behind that, because you can't even put any time towards that. You know what I mean. So even now, I feel like, okay, it's 2024,. I was having a conversation with a friend of mine actually earlier today and I was saying to him I'm like you got social media. Platforms is free, right. You can make a digital product, you can make a community, you can make content. It's essentially free. I mean, you can use your phone we all have phones so you can create an opportunity to generate revenue faster and people want to consume, right. So there's no excuse for anyone, in my opinion, to not create a secondary income stream from whatever creativity they have or whatever information they have or whatever specialty that they have. That being said, you got something for today's topic. If you are able to do that, then you are freed up to think okay, what am I gonna do with this time that I have? Or how can I raise the level of lifestyle or experience for my family or even for myself. How can I eat healthier? Or how can I learn about this thing that's gonna improve my overall health. But if I'm constantly thinking about okay, I gotta be at work at this time, I'm only making this month. I need to get a raise. If I get a raise, I'm only gonna get this much, but I'm happy because I got a raise. I'm afraid to do something else which might be a better payoff later, but I'm afraid to give up the comfort that I have right now. You can't really think about what else is there, I think, for me.

Speaker 1: 10:33

I've been a little blessed in a sense, where so I lost all my family when I was young and I'm calling out a blessing. You know what I'm saying. Like, I used to go to crack houses with my mom. I seen her do drugs. She died when I was 15. My mom I mean my dad died when I was 12. My grandmoms, uncle, aunt, all passed away from lung cancer. You know what I mean. One of my brothers passed.

Speaker 1: 10:58

I'm calling it a blessing because it allowed me to think outside the box. I saw all the decisions that they made which allowed me to be like I don't wanna make none of those decisions right. And then I was like the job I had was working. I worked at Sprint and I was like I, after this, I can't work with nobody Like these things were happening right.

Speaker 1: 11:18

So I've always been someone that would figure out how I could sustain myself and create a life, but that also allowed me to do other things. I could allow me to think. That allowed me to read more, it allowed me to travel, even if at the time when I started my entrepreneurship journey, I was making, let's say, what I would have made at Sprint, but I was doing it on my hours, on my time, so I had time to think and create and ponder and stuff like that. So, going back to earlier, just talking about like that, like the spiritual world, that's what really connected me right? So I noticed people out there that know that there's other things going on and maybe they just don't feel like they have the time to even get into it because of finances and distractions. Yeah, so how would you say someone can start working on separating the ideal of time and money, cause I think that's probably one of the biggest exceptions Like I gotta put in these eight hours to get this money. But when I hear it I'm like you have to relearn.

Speaker 1: 12:32

Like I seen a post yesterday and this girl was talking about how much she makes as a waitress and I figured what Sada was, but she was like $2 an hour. I live on the taxes. They taxed the two dollars an hour. So somebody in the comments was like oh, you basically working free, like you working for free 100%, and like the company, like the restaurant's not even paying you at all, you getting paid by the customers and if the customers feel like they don't want to tip you and get no money. So at the end of her break, breaking out what she would make in a day, she ended up making like $124. And then I guess that. But I was thinking my mind. I'm like wow, you put in eight hours, you made $124. Like what if you help somebody with, let's say, a digital product that solved a problem that you charged $27 for and you sold a hundred of those or something like that? So how does one start? Beginning with just separating time and money, you would set Cause. I think that's one of the biggest, biggest deceptions.

Speaker 2: 13:33

I'm gonna give an annoying answer, but it's the truth. Before you can get into the practical answer of that, the logical answer of that, you have to start with why they don't value themselves more. Yeah, that's heavy, because, like I'm a, I'm a get to the root type guy, you know. So like if we're talking about something with my health, I'm not interested in taking a pill for it. I want to know why did it happen in the first place? And get to the root. I'm like that with every aspect of my life. I try to adjust the actual root. So if I have an issue with my body or something, I'm going to the subconscious mind, or an issue in relationships, I'm going why did I act like that? So, always to the root.

Speaker 2: 14:16

And in this situation you start asking deeper questions of okay, so why is she a waitress in the first place? Why does she not respect herself more than to accept $124 a debt? Why? Why does she? In what reality is that acceptable? And then you start to go into childhood trauma, you start to go into self-worth, you start to go into you know, and she's self-deprecating, does she? Does she hate herself? Like what? What is she holding onto from the past? And so you know, and then I guess this comes full circle to the 3d verse 5d. Right On the surface, it's like you just want to shake them and be like wake up, stop trading your time for money. It's not that simple and this is the nature of you know, the work that I've done for a long time is like okay cool, someone hires me because they want to build a business. Someone hires me because they want to learn how to generate, you know, financial freedom or cash flow or A's at the matrix or whatever it may be. Okay, cool. We can't start with strategies and tactics. We have to start with the individual, the person who's driving the boat. And 10 times it's just like entrepreneurship, right? It's like if the business isn't growing, is it the business's fault or is it the person running the business's fault, right? So you're the one in the cockpit and we're all in the cockpit of our own lives. And so people who are trading their time for money.

Speaker 2: 15:39

Step one is addressing why they don't love themselves more and value themselves more and why their self-worth is so low that they look at other people and go oh, they're so great, they're so successful. And they look at themselves and go I could never do that. So I'm going to work for that person, I'm going to look up to that person, I view that person here and I'm here. That is the biggest shift. Like you know, we were just networking with your mentor yourself.

Speaker 2: 16:14

That is the biggest shift between people who are operating on a level like us, where we ask ourselves why not me? Yeah, right, I never look at you know someone who's doing better than me and go, oh, fuck him. Or like I could never do that, or salty or petty or whatever. It's like I'm inspired because I know I can do that. Why not me? But that's because I've built myself worse, right, and that doesn't come through like rah-rah. David Goggins shit, no, shade of David Goggins. Obviously he's helping a lot of people, but my point is step one is not a masculine. Suck it up. You're forced yourself to feel worthy. Fake it till you make it.

Speaker 2: 16:58

It's a. Why haven't you cried in four years? What memories are you repressing? Why do you think therapies for girls? How often do you have trauma and you have stored in your tissues? You know, like these types of things? How often are you talking about your emotions? How often do you even know what your basic human needs are Like. Some of these basic things that I would, I guess you could say, are more on the EQ side. That's always where I'm going with myself and with my students as well, and I think that's one of the unique things about like.

Speaker 2: 17:29

If you look at my brand and it's like conscious wealth, it's a different approach. It's not the you know Wolf of Wall Street bulldoze. Anyone sell, anyone say what you have to say to get the money energy. It's a. When you align yourself in a certain way, you become the embodiment of what it is you're selling and you no longer sell.

Speaker 2: 17:50

Yeah, because people look at you and go oh, you're not capping. Everyone on the internet is capping, everyone. There's something different and that's, you know, the greatest compliment. So that's the type of person who people literally throw money at you. Yeah, like, I don't know if you've come across this, but sometimes you'll meet a minimum wage worker and you'll just be like man, this person's different and it'll literally like force me, I'll be like I'm just going to give them 300 bucks, like for no reason, and they'll just be like think that there's some ulterior motive or something and they'll be all taken back and it's like it's all good, I know that's trauma, but yeah, like that, because I'm just like, you fucking deserve this man Like the world. The world doesn't see you, you don't, you don't belong in this job and I see that. Yeah, that type of thing, but those are rare.

Speaker 1: 19:05

So you can get rid of all these other things. It's in one system. You pay one price every single month and they also have a weekly office hours. So I don't know what you're waiting for. Tap it to the platform and make sure that you grow your business. Lead the traction system. Go out of the link below. Let's go. How'd you arrive at a conscious well?

Speaker 2: 19:26

Man, it's been a journey. So I was telling I was selling your, your mentor, before this. So I started out my first business entrepreneurship fresh out of college. I moved back in with my mom I'm sure you heard some of that story, so I guess what? I'm 22 at the time. My first business was personal training and online coaching and I long story short I pivoted from that after a few years and got more into the spiritual side of things, because I felt like I wasn't serving to the extent of why I'm actually here and I was only helping people with what I would refer to as their meat suit. I wasn't actually helping Meat suit, meat suit.

Speaker 1: 20:07

Yes, like I'm talking about their question M-E-T or M-A-T, m-e-a-t.

Speaker 2: 20:12

Like the confines that your soul lives on. I was helping them with their 3D. My soul was starting to pull me and go. Oh, there's way deeper level. These people still hate themselves. You make them look like a Greek God. They hate themselves. So I was like I got in this to help people. How much am I helping people? It's not really translating and that's a big misconception on the whole other side. But coming from the fitness industry, I can tell you the most shredded, best looking people are the most miserable. They're driven by self-hate and that's part of why I pivoted out of the industry. So fitness industry, then more into the spiritual Some people would call me a life coach I don't like that word More of helping people navigate their healing journey, their spiritual awakening, going through inner child work, shadow work, getting to know their basic human needs, starting to meditate and starting to become comfortable with their own emotions and let these things go, etc.

Speaker 2: 21:15

So that was my second business. Third business spiritual. I started helping people with building a conscious business, if you will, because a lot of the people whom I helped go through their awakening started going like yo, jeremy, I can't work a job anymore. I want to help people with what we just went through. In my fucking life I can't go back to a nine to five. So now they're like I need to pay forward, now I want to do this for my life purpose. So it was like, all right, well, I guess I need to build an offering around that or something. So that was literally how organically that happened. And then now with what I do, with more of wealth, investing, sovereignty law, all that stuff. So I never intended to do what I do now. I walked you through that so you can see kind of the progression. I've just always been helping people in different capacities. I've always been serving the same type of person also, but the conscious wealth really came through because of my unique background.

Speaker 2: 22:13

Where you look at the space that I'm in, you have a lot of these, like you know, discord groups where you know they're giving stop callouts or options callouts or oh, this altcoin or this crypto play or this NFT or whatever. And then you have more of the Wall Street, the tradition they call it trad, trad, fire, whatever traditional finance. Who's more of the suit and collar, like you know, flexing about their, their advance. I guess education when it comes to the behind the scenes of what moves the markets and all that. So that's kind of like the finance space, the typically.

Speaker 2: 22:49

And then you have me, who's like looking at things through my life experiences and I'm looking at everything from a root cause. First approach so when I started to get more and more and more into wealth creation and started to see the fruits of my labor in my life and started to really experience that exponential, I think it's surprising, confused a lot of people and I feel like you feel like they confuse a lot of people because because of what you were producing, Because you know, when you've been something and then you completely change and people are like but they want to hold you to what you used to be.

Speaker 2: 23:30

Kind of like that, if you were just watching my journey, on the surface level you're like, yo, you were just posting, you know, selfies of your abs and you're trying to be a life coach now, but in reality, they don't see the work that I was doing behind the scenes, right, they didn't have the context that I started developing myself personally with masterminds and mentors and financial literacy, and all that at age 20. And I was building behind the scenes. So it was all always working up to that. It wasn't about fitness. For me, that was a business. I was still focusing on cash flow and wealth and living this way, but it hadn't manifested yet.

Speaker 2: 24:01

Second business a little bit more progress. Third business, more progress. Fourth, boom. That's the overnight success, right, that we always hear about.

Speaker 2: 24:09

So that's all I was saying with that, but with the, with the conscious wealth, what I think is is unique in what I'm doing is just that I'm describing and educating people on the fact that wealth is a lot more than just money, and so part of the conversation is that if you want to attract wealth, that starts inward first, because a lot of us are walking around right now completely repelling abundance yeah, and that's completely like the waitress example completely repelling abundance because of our identity. The way we subconsciously perceive ourselves is that we're not worthy of whatever we're claiming we want. There's a disconnect between our conscious desires and our unconscious feelings and beliefs about ourselves, and that's what trauma will do. So that's a piece of it. The other piece of what conscious wealth is all about is that there are buckets to what make a wealthy life, and money is only one of them. One bucket. How many stories have we heard of, you know, the J Cole, the Mike Posner people that you know came to the top just to be like yo.

Speaker 1: 25:14

It's not what you think Mike Posner walked, didn't he walk across the country? Yeah, man, that was crazy.

Speaker 2: 25:19

You just see these people reach the pinnacle and then they do. They either do crazy fucking shit, get all satanic shit and you know all about that being in Hollywood but they either start paying their fucking nails black and doing weird shit and going to weird parties, or they do something radical they just shave their hair, start running across country, whatever. You know. You got J Cole, who doesn't fix his teeth, wears the kind of nappy braids and all that Like he doesn't, he doesn't give a shit, does he? He's like I moved back to, I think, charlotte, whatever with his mom and he's like you know, and a lot of his music and stuff like that always inspired me. I'm like yo, this is because this is what I was always aiming for. And you have these people Mac Miller dies, I mean. You have these people who you know reach that multiple eight, multiple nine figure level and they're like it ain't it. And the issue isn't money, and that's where the nuance comes in, cause you'll have a lot of my audience, the more spiritual, the woo-woo types who you know are doing yoga and rolling around in the grass and they're like see, that's why money is a root of all evil, that's why I don't pursue it and it's like, no, that's not the solution either, because changing the world that we lived in we all agree it's fucked up, that's not a practical solution. What are we doing about it? Well, whatever you're going to answer that question with is going to require money and resources 100%, and so the solution is not disowning money, but, at the same time, the solution is not only prioritizing money. It is about living in balance, like like with your health, your relationships, all these different buckets, right, your passions, how you're giving back to the world, and so I view life through that lens. I probably got introduced to it earlier on by I believe it's probably like Tony Robbins was the first one that I heard talk about that stuff where it's like this notion of like buckets and like even doing, like you know, monthly evaluations or journaling or whatever it may be, where you're not just prioritizing or tracking the metrics in your business right, we get all caught up on KPIs and these different metrics and such, but do you have that for your relationship with your significant other? Yeah. Do you have that with your relationship with your kids, if you have them? Yeah, do you have that with yourself, with yourself? Exactly, your spiritual practice, your emotional practice? Do you have that with your relationship to your inner child? Do you even know what that is? Or do you scoff at that notion? Right, because that's inside all of us and for most of us, he's locked in a basement. And so there's all these other areas.

Speaker 2: 27:41

Also, how typical is it for people to build wealth at the expense of their health? Right, and one aspect of that is getting fat. But that's only the surface level aspect of it. It's like we worked so hard to be able to have wealth for, you know, the next 100 plus years, right? We're all caught up on this generational wealth, but in the pursuit of that, we just took 10 years off our lifespan At least. So make that make sense.

Speaker 2: 28:09

And that's why I try to be and I shouldn't say I try, I don't like that word I aspire to be the embodiment of these principles that I teach, and so I'm only willing to pursue money and wealth to an extent, but not past a certain extent, because my spiritual practice comes first. Every rising, my health and fitness massive priority to me. My relationship with my queen huge priority to me. And being an active masculine role in her son's life big priority to me. These are things that didn't matter so much. My 20s, when it was all just about proving people wrong chip on the shoulder I'm sure you can relate. But once you start to, you know, see some semblance of breathing room and you're not in fight or flight all the time anymore, your priorities start to change and you start to see things a little okay. I understand. I understand what they were saying. So that's my long-winded answer to that.

Speaker 1: 29:03

A section of one of the videos I saw and he was talking about how, now, verbatim. But when you're born you're like, you know, it's like your peerless form, right, peerless form, your full creativity, abundance, energy. You know saying optimal, right. And then you start being directed, programmed a certain way and then it's like you spend a majority of your adult life either getting back to that essence or you're never finding your way back right. So I always thought or I would say recently I've been paying more attention Because I have the time to myself, you know, to think or write or whatever. It seems as though that allowing, okay, a couple of things, allowing yourself to get access to money, which is energy, right, get access to that level of energy or that bucket it frees you up to then start, let's say, spending time undoing some of the things that were done, so you can have a little bit more of a view. Then I looked at, like I had like a epiphany about, like the Bible, and I was like, well, what if the Bible? Because you know, I think Wu-Tang had a song called Basic Instruction Before Leaving Earth, like to break down what the Bible means. So I'm like, well, where the Bible is really the instructions or just really the information that we need to operate in this realm that we're in.

Speaker 1: 30:41

But because it's in a book, people don't read. Because it's in a small print, that's in double columns you know what I mean and because it's wrapped in religion, these are all things that would repel someone from being interested, right? So people are not reading like they used to, they're not studying like they used to, right? The words are in two columns, which there's no coloring there, there's no pictures in there, right, and like? You know what I'm saying. So I'm like yo, the attention span, that's what I'm saying. So I'm like what, if this is really like, these are the things that could free us. But because of how it's wrapped and because how it's presented and how you've been programmed, you automatically, just like you, acknowledge what it is right, because everyone knows what the Bible is right For the most part, I would say or you know what their book would be for, whatever they believe, but you just ignore it because of how it's being presented.

Speaker 2: 31:42

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 31:42

So have you spent your entire life unaware of what your true essence was? You're never gonna get back. You can never get back there, especially how we're being programmed right. So I'm thinking about you know, obviously, what happened in 2020, you know what I'm saying With the whole situation, yeah, and then we have what goes on with the presidency and what happened in 2020, you know what I'm saying Like nothing really solved. Nothing was solved. It just they just started marketing it. So now it's gone. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. Then you got the presidency, you got these wars, but it and nothing's happened that actually helped the people. There's no actual relief. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1: 32:36

So now I feel like now it's just more and more of things to just give people to not think at all, to pay no attention to what you can actually be independently thinking about, that can actually help free yourself and free your family. Hmm, you can't get to that 5D. You don't even know that exists, let alone you can't even you ain't even paying attention to the 3D. But then yesterday I was talking to a friend of mine. She said she's at this conference and the conference talks about, she said, these robots. It was a robotics and technology. Yeah, she's talking about how they have this, these robots that are coming out in construction that I think they like 30K or something, but they can replace 100,000 people. I was like you mean 100 people? No, no, no. She was like the way that they're developed and in the pace of, like, their production, they can replace a workload of 100,000 people. So then, that's what? What does that leave people Right? That's a sad information. Then I'm thinking more like okay, well, what if the person that you're with is someone cause? You know, they say, the person that you spend the most time with, you're gonna be closer too. So what if the person that you spend time with is not supportive? You know, looks at you a certain way? Maybe you, you know, y'all have a little bit of energy that's not supporting or something. So then you just have like another layer.

Speaker 1: 34:09

I guess what I'm asking here is like how does someone find themselves to you? You know that, can that? You know like, how, like how, how can someone start learning about different levels you know of? Oh, I think there is more. You know, like, like, who can, who can drive me there? Like I, I happen to be introduced to a lot of things you can talk about, just because I network a lot and then shot a podcast with a mutual friend of ours, jd, and then he's like yo, you got me, griff, I check you out.

Speaker 1: 34:45

And then I'm, you know, I'm freeing myself up from having to worry about a financial commitment. You know what I'm saying. So now I'm like, yeah, and this makes sense. I'm like, okay, I need to learn more. You know what I mean 100%. So how do you start to take that, that first step? Like for you, like you were seeing these things early, like you, you know you knew that you, you know you had that connection with talking to God, or you knew things were different. So you had something within you which is is your purpose. But how can someone else, maybe watching this podcast, listening to the podcast, like yo, this is, I don't even know what they got, I don't even know what they talking about. But how can I start to reprogram myself or just start to free myself?

Speaker 2: 35:28

Yeah. So once again, I'm going to give a very annoying answer, but I have a dedication to, to the truth, because I believe that love is greatly misunderstood, and I would define love as synonymous with truth, which isn't the same thing as saying love is something that always feels good and is comforting. I'm a firm believer that all of this is already written meaning down to us having a podcast.

Speaker 2: 35:56

No, I do, connecting. I do believe that there are elements of free will, and I think that that is. But that is balanced in the grand scheme of things. I'm not saying that, for example, if you tried to reach for this water bottle and it wasn't destined for you to reach for the water bottle, your hand wouldn't move Obviously not. But what I am saying is more in a macro scale, winners win is what I'm saying.

Speaker 2: 36:24

Sometimes the internet can be frustrating because people get caught up on trying to cater advice to people who aren't going to walk in their shoes. Anyway, from my perspective, no matter where you were born, no matter what happened to you and your upbringing, no matter what adversity was put in front of you, you were going to be here today doing what you're doing right now, and more so than that. No matter what happens to you right now, the rest of this year, next year, no matter what happens in the economy, whatever it may be, 10 years from now, nothing can stop what you are going to become Now. The caveat is, if I'm making an assumption after through meeting you and such, if you have sufficiently created that intention strongly enough, and so for myself, it's like tactics don't matter, the strategies don't matter, what happens in the economy doesn't matter, random catastrophe doesn't matter. You can't stop what was written, and that's very much so. Back to the meaning we create in our lives.

Speaker 2: 37:53

Some people would hear that and be like this guy's narcissistic. He's an egomaniac. That's fine. We create our reality. All I know is mine's working out pretty well with this set of beliefs.

Speaker 1: 38:02

I would say to you too. Why are those words negative though? Why is oh, I need to be humble, or don't be cocky, or he is narcissistic? Why are those words perceived as negative People?

Speaker 2: 38:19

who are truly self-confident in their knowing is what I would call it In your body. You know it, you don't need to like. It's not a flex, it's not an act. You just say what it is that's threatening this threatening to people who aren't like that because it's a mirror. It's a mirror to one's insecurities, and so when we look at a Kobe, it reminds us that we're not working as hard as we think we are. Are we? Because we just met what actual hard work looks like, and that's not comfortable to look at, especially if you're wearing the badge of I'm a hard worker or I'm the best basketball player, maybe in this little room you haven't met Kobe, so you know there's levels and as far as the audience and such it's like, I want to clarify that. What I said is not to imply that the people that are watching are not destined to do what they're destined to do. My point is more so that those of you who are watching this will already know what to do and the path will already unfold. It will really so. Yeah, so like I don't need to necessarily go out of my way to like shake you or scream at you or try to force or try to like alter your path.

Speaker 2: 39:45

I don't believe that I can actually alter people's path. I believe that when the student is ready, the teacher appears and that's often something that I get reflected back to me. It's like people will tell me. Like I never told you this, but like a month before you came into my radar and I saw the video that brought me into this community, like I almost killed myself and I was at a rock bottom moment and I prayed out to God to just give me a sign and that if he gave me that sign, I would go all in on that sign and that's what got me in this group. And within the last, over this period of 12 months, like my life has completely changed and transformed it. And they're like crying to me of like you have no idea how much you know you've changed my life. And my response is always the same. It's like shout out to you you did this, you manifested me. I'm just like a during your movie, but I'm like a backup. You're the primer.

Speaker 1: 40:40

You know who said that on a high level, did you see? Well, comedically, did you see Dave's? Oh, I love Dave's, so it's newest, it's newest, I saw it, so it's newest. He talks about being in a movie like when he had a oh yeah, yeah, yeah, he kind of makes that correlation Like he was in someone's and you know then, and that's.

Speaker 2: 40:59

I feel like that's the type of shit goes over a lot of heads. He was talking some esoteric facts. We're rainbow.

Speaker 1: 41:05

We're like, I mean yours, you're in my right now.

Speaker 2: 41:08

Yeah, you know what I mean and that's what's crazy. When you start to get into frames and energy and beliefs is like, further than that, like I have mine, you have yours. But also in this room right now, whoever is stronger will influence the others also. So that's where it's like. It's very important the frames that you carry in life and the way in which you perceive yourself, Like, for example, because of my experiences from age six on, you could not convince me that God isn't real. Like it doesn't matter your level of conviction, it doesn't matter what you show me, it doesn't matter. You could pull up you know peer reviewed studies and try to use science argument, or you could try to show me this book or you could try to tell me these experiences. It doesn't matter Because experientially, in my knowing, that's that and to me that's the goal of a lot of this spiritual work and even deeper than that, just like some of the questions you're asking me about mindset and shifting your life. And so it was like you have to experientially become whatever it is you're seeking. Like I don't know if I'm sure you may be familiar with the whole like B-Do-Wang type thing. Yeah, B-Do-Wang, it's 100%, that's facts and that's really coming from, like the cabal or like the universal laws, Like that's a spiritual principle. It's just like the personal development community really likes that. But it's very much so true, Like it's always like what do I do to get to 10K a month cash flow, or what can I do to get to my first million, or what can I do to attract this good?

Speaker 2: 42:38

And it's like let's start with you, Right? So it's always that and that's where I'm placing, you know, 80, 90% of my focus. And when you do that, it doesn't matter what circumstances are placed in front of you. It doesn't matter what path you take. Like this strategy, this strategy run ads. You don't run ads. You invest in this asset class. You don't like that. You do this and that. Like none of that matter.

Speaker 2: 43:05

Recession it doesn't matter. We, you know the last two years we've had a recession right. The first year of the recession, we 3x our business. The second year we 2x from there, organically. The rules don't matter. Number one, when you're a child of God, and number two, when you're making your own rules. Most people go over in a recession. My business is going to slow down. You just created your own reality, so it's back to frames and free will I believe it was all already written but also you can influence the fucking matrix. This is a veil right here. Going on, you can influence it, you can co-create, and so that's where it's like the work we do matters and don't trip too much, because it's also way better than us. So that's my, my perspective.

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Speaker 1: 44:20

So if somebody wanted to kind of start on that journey, is that like, let's say, starting with even like their morning routine, you know, like putting time aside for themselves, like I think I heard you say in a video as well like you know you have your time with God. You know like you have your, your, your, your connection time. So somebody asked an example. Let's say they waking up at like eight, eight, 30. Let's just say so potentially carving out like an hour prior and then dedicating an hour to a couple of things intentional, maybe 20 minute movement, some journaling, some reading, meditation, you know, maybe a moment or two to just be like starting. Even starting there, yeah, could start creating some of this energy and start creating some of this momentum.

Speaker 2: 45:08

So step one to me. We've all heard, especially in our space. When you start to network, develop, you know personal development books, et cetera. Step one is often we hear about you know the words that we're using and the things that we're thinking. You mentioned a morning routine. What is the word morning? Yeah, right, yep, so that's piece one, not to be a petty, but what is it? Where is this file Figured? It was a teachable moment. Yeah, it's 100%. When you start to get into something called etymology, which is the most popular video I've ever done on YouTube. It's above 300,000 views right now. I wanted to Justice, study of words, etymology. Yeah, yes, the study of the origin of words. There's a dope free app for anyone who's interested in that. It's called. It's like etym online. So like etym online, and it's a free app and you can type in any word and it'll tell you where it comes from or what it actually means. Government means mind control, mh.

Speaker 1: 46:16

Morning. It's always been so sneaky Bro.

Speaker 2: 46:20

I am farting, you too bro, bro, yeah, the rastric lighting. The rastric lighting and I lit on that for my students. Yeah, that's crazy, because one of the rules of the dark side the inverse of God they gotta show them something Is that they have to, because it creates bad karma. They have to at least play within the confines of the rules on this, and that's so crazy to think about that.

Speaker 1: 46:41

So what they show you is a higher level, 100%, because even on the negative aspect of it, they still have to play within a set of rules, if you acknowledge Satan.

Speaker 2: 46:52

You have to acknowledge God, yeah, and I mean you know you live in Hollywood, look, Chappelle Cat Williams, yeah, yeah. So if you acknowledge that, why are they doing rituals? Yeah, must be something to it. You can use that in a different way, yeah, in a non, in a way that doesn't come with side effects. That's like taking pharmaceuticals, and then you could take something that's grown from the earth, right. So to your actual.

Speaker 2: 47:22

Well, let me finish on the etymology thing. So, mourning, right, sadness, grief. Why would you want to start every day and say good morning? Why would you want to say it's the morning or my morning routine. Are you sad? Are you grieving? That's how they want us, isn't it? It's in our food, it's in our air, it's in our water, it's in our media.

Speaker 2: 47:39

So step one is shift the words, because words carry vibration. So now we're starting to say rising routine, right, grand riser. We're starting to say you know this, but we're starting to talk differently, and so that's to me that's way more practical than the cheesy shit about like oh, you hate yourself. Just stop saying you hate yourself. It's like cool, but I still hate myself. So, like you know, I really help with shit Like that's where you have to get to the subconscious. But with this, this actually is practical, because I'm talking about we're starting to border on some of the deeper work that I do in the sovereignty space and law, and you can't study law Like people immediately want to get into. Like all right, jeremy, tell me the process to discharge debt or exit the tax system or whatever. No, no, no, you need six months of just studying words, like you don't understand right, like were you writing a MLA format essays before you knew how to write? No, you got to start with the foundation, try the first principles. So that's piece one.

Speaker 2: 48:39

But as far as the actual rising routine, I'm a big fan of practicality. I think that an hour is daunting for people, and so that will become the self-fulfilling prophecy of why they can't do it, which is crazy. So, you know, choose an amount that is so ridiculous you can possibly justify to yourself that you didn't do it, that you couldn't do it. And for you know, tony Robbins is a fan of like 333, right, three minutes, getting yourself into the actual energetic emotion of gratitude, three minutes of prayer or choosing a few people to send positive energy or love to, and then three minutes of just being or whatever it may be. I'm not telling you guys that, I'm just explaining a framework, because obviously when you're working at that scale, you have to get really good at practical recommendations.

Speaker 2: 49:22

So, but for me it's you know, someone starting with 10 minutes of meditation and most people's common issue is all right, jeremy, I close my eyes and whatever put on some, whatever eye mask or sounds, vibrations in my ears and my mind won't stop thinking. So they try it for a day or two and they're like it won't stop thinking this sucks and then they quit, right, yeah. So a very important aspect of this that is often overlooked because we often learn from the like Eastern mysticism stuff where they're pretty hardcore. Most people we don't have that temperament in America, right, people have the attention span of a fucking goldfish, so like they're not going to be able to do this hardcore thing. So what I like in terms of practicality is state change is very important.

Speaker 2: 50:16

It's a very important piece of getting your brain out of beta, brainwave state and dropping down into alpha, which is what we refer to as flow state, but then also one level deeper is theta, and that is a true meditative state where you are able to actually directly interface with your unconscious mind. So when we talk about healing work and shit talk therapy, for example, is only going to do so much. Journaling in the middle of your day is only going to do so much. That's beneficial because it increases conscious awareness, but it's not beneficial in terms of healing shit you've actually gone through, because the thing is lodged in the vault and the fucking basement of your subconscious mind and it's not even going to come up. Your conscious mind won't even let you be aware of it until you access your subconscious mind. This is what hypnotists do. This is what regression therapists do. This is what like EMDR does, eft, all these different trauma modalities and such but specific to meditation, something as simple as two to three minutes of, like Wim Hof, breath work yeah.

Speaker 1: 51:20

Wim Hof.

Speaker 2: 51:21

That's an instant physiological state change. You're hyper-oxygenating your body. And then a breath hold and you should, if you're healthy, be able to hold that breath anywhere from 90 seconds and beyond. That's something if you're not able to do, you can work up to. But that breath hold is important because that's going to promote parasympathetic activity and down regulate you. You're going to take that exhale after the breath hold. You should notice that your body is feeling extremely light. You're not going to have the same relationship to tension in your body.

Speaker 2: 51:50

Now, try to meditate. It's a difference, right? So I use a lot of different things. I use a sulfasial frequencies, which are different sounds that vibrate at the different resonances of your chakras same concept as a singing bowl, but you can listen to them. They're called sulfasial frequencies and that's getting into sacred geometry and all that shit. But we'll say that for another time. I combine that with a nice eye mask, some red light. You still have to stop that joint. Then some breath work. So the idea is there you go. So the idea hey, I'm going to say next time you guys see me, I look like that. My hair doesn't stop playing around. So, yeah, I'm a fan of stacking right, stack the modalities and so anything you can do to get to that state change.

Speaker 2: 52:35

Now, when you're dropping in, you're kind of good. So now, instead of your mind's like berating you and you're like just fucking stupid. It's been long enough. How long is it I'm thinking about what am I going to eat for lunch, all the shit I have to do? Now, that got you like pre-relaxed. So now you're sitting there and you're like sit into this and now you're able to more subtly. Okay, I feel some tension in Just more in an observational, parasympathetic state, and the reason, if we go into the neuroscience of it, is because you just down-regulated yourself out of beta brainwave state, which is the thinking mind, the anxious mind, the mind that's bound to linear time and space, and you dropped into theta, which is where you're in the field of potentiality, essentially, where there is no time and space. Right In the quantum realm there's everything everywhere all at once, just like that. No-transcript.

Speaker 1: 53:33

Man so look, I feel like we can keep going. Man, you know, I feel like this is so much stuff that we could touch on.

Speaker 2: 53:43

I've never done an hour podcast because I don't know I don't do well.

Speaker 1: 53:49

Short form is hard for me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I got you, I got you. This is like yeah, this hour is short, which is crazy for you. A lot of people can't even get to an hour. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 53:59

So I think that's the 3D, yeah, because all they are is their shell. Right? We're talking about underneath the shell, and underneath the shell is what God is divine intelligence, and that is infinite, isn't it? And that's how we describe something that's infinite and fit it into an hour.

Speaker 1: 54:14

You can't, especially if you continue to study, learn and pour into meditating, just like you said. Just continue to do the work, do behalf You're going to. You know the knowledge that's going to be running through is going to be basically infinite. We definitely going to have to have a part two, bro, but I wanted to say, like 2024, what would be like a word or two. You know that we could leave people off with that. They can maybe, you know, digest as something that could guide them. You know what they should think about one or two words, an intention for the people?

Speaker 2: 54:47

Yeah, the word that comes to mind is reverence. Here's how I'll explain that. Most people are living their life as if this isn't their one life. And I don't want to get into like incarnation and all that, but as far as you playing this avatar in this game right now, you're only going to get one of those. You might come back as a rock or whatever if you believe in that, but let's just assume that this is your only life. You walk down the street right now. You're going to see literal zombies, aren't you? People aren't here, people are not here To me to pass up this one life, this one opportunity that we were given here, is a complete disrespect to the creator, and so one guiding intention always but I think it may be a good guiding intention for people in 2024, if this is newer information is to start to view your entire life, from how you brush your teeth to your rising routine, to the type of partner you are, to your significant other, to the type of parent you are, to how you show up when you're in traffic, to the way you act when no one's looking and you're tired and you don't want to do the last few sets on your exercise plan to whatever it may be, showing up in every single aspect with reverence, and what that means is an appreciation for the opportunity that you've been given to be here and to play this character in this crazy fucking game called life.

Speaker 2: 56:50

Because it is a game and the smartest minds, elon included, cannot prove that this isn't a simulation. I will never know, but if it's a simulation, it's a pretty real one. So the way that I like to live is as if every single thing that I'm doing whether it's the most minuscule thing that I don't really want to be doing, or the most important macro vision of my life, or whatever how you do anything is how you do everything, and so part of that is this nihilistic attitude that we have as a society, where people are like fuck it, what does it even matter? What does my life matter? What is how I clean this bathroom right now matter? My boss fucking sucks, fuck him. I'm not going to try doing this to how we're driving in traffic, how we relate to other people, all of it. We live our lives as if it doesn't matter, but it does matter.

Speaker 2: 57:43

So that would be my one message to lead people off with in 2024 is if you're going to start to live with more reverence and understand that there's something greater than yourself, maybe you can get out of your own way and stop living with such a nihilistic, pessimistic attitude. And when you do that, you start to attract different opportunities. In no world would I want to come on a podcast with you if you were a pessimistic person. In no world would you have hired your mentor if he was a nihilistic person. Would you? Would that inspire you? Do you want to be around that energy? It's pretty simple, right, but I think a lot of people are just like oh well, that's not even a realistic or a possibility for me, so I'm just not even going to start.

Speaker 2: 58:27

So I think it starts with that. The type of people that connected us, they all have that same energy. The people that we surround ourselves, they have that same energy. So I think it's a very helpful mindset to actively practice is the how you do anything is how you do everything, and the way that I view that isn't from a raw, raw Goggins type energy. I view it from more of a spiritual sense of like. God has gifted me, for whatever reason, from a young age, with vision to see what others can't, and also has gifted me in the material. So I'm not only gifted in the 3D, but I've been gifted in the 5D. That is literally priceless, and so the audacity that I would have to have to not live my life full of devotion to the Creator for a blessing me with all this is unfathomable, and I feel like that's a missing perspective in this age.

Speaker 1: 59:33

Yeah, man, I think that's a good way to leave it off right there. I like that reference, man, so let's see I'll let another episode of the Anupasul podcast on Brendan. This is Jay Griff. Let him know real quick what they can find. Yeah.

Speaker 2: 59:45

So my main social media channels would be YouTube you guys can just search the Conscious Wealth podcast and you'll find our podcasts on there and Instagram. If you guys actually want to have a conversation with me, or whatever it may be, just follow me at official underscore Jay Griff On Instagram. Yeah, and shoot me a DM and I'll chat with you guys.

Speaker 1: 1:00:07

I shall see you on another one man. You smell very good and powerful. Appreciate you, michael Later.